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Wide Angle on Scarlet S35

Generally anything shorter than 27-32mm or so is considered "wide-angle" in Super-35 photography, though most people are talking about the under-20mm lenses.

As a frame of reference, "Citizen Kane" was mostly shot on a 25mm but then Welles discovered the 18mm for "Touch of Evil". The 18mm is sort of a "workhorse" wide-angle lens for people in that camp, Polanski, Kubrick, Frankenheimer, etc. "Amelie" has a lot of that look. Wider than that, and you get into the Terry Gilliam territory, which is in the 12mm-16mm range.

Though Kubrick was more likely to shoot in the 18mm to 25mm range, some of his most famous shots were done on a 9.8mm Kinoptic, like the running through the maze shots in "The Shining" or the walk through the record store in "Clockwork Orange" but that's a pretty distinctive effect.

How distorted a wide-angle can look depends on visual clues in the shot, not to mention how much barrel distortion the lens has.
 
I'm wondering how a Sigma 8-16 could look like on it...
 
Would the mentioned Tokina work on Scarlet S35?
 
Yes it would and so would Canon's 10-22. Lots of us are already using these lenses on RED One's S35 sensor
 
paul engstrom said:
Yes it would and so would Canon's 10-22. Lots of us are already using these lenses on RED One's S35 sensor
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As paul says.

You may be confused thinking S35 is close to Full frame dSLR like a 5dmarkII.

S35/Red sensor is very close to the smaller dSLR size called APS-C used in the Canon 7D, 60D, Digital Rebels, etc. so basically any of the EF-S lenses work fine.

We use wides a lot in underwater and we have used the Canon 10-22, as well as Tokina 11-16, that Sigma 8-16, etc. - all cover the RED1 just fine and I think will work fine on the slightly large Epic 5K, but if there is any issue it would typically be only at the widest setting and you could also just shoot 4K which crops the sensor to the same size sensor as the Red1.

BTW I suspect that any of these are as good or better than that 9.8mm Kinoptic David mentioned - modern SLR glass is pretty good.
 
So most APS-C lenses will work? That's great news.

What's the crop factor between APS-C and S35?
 
Thomas Church said:
So most APS-C lenses will work? That's great news.

What's the crop factor between APS-C and S35?
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Pretty Negligible.

David Mullen or Brook, Evin, Jeff could be more precise. But I think it depends on exactly how you define APS-C and S35. There are slight variations between different flavors of APS-C SLRs and I'm not sure RED or any other Digicam is exactly the same as the film S35 standard since they usually are designed to easily accommodate 16:9 aspect. I think most of the APS-C lens designs tend to leave a little extra for safety.

Bottom line we have used numerous APS-C lenses without on Red1 without any problems.
 
The width of the Scarlet S35 sensor is a little more than an APS-C sensor (30mm vs 24mm). Some lenses designed for APS-C may work, and some may not. Some zooms may even work at certain focal lengths but not others.
 
Bummer.

That's why I think Canon/Nikon should produce S35 glass with mechanics suited for film work.

In the next three to four years I'd say that pretty much most production work is going to be shot on S35 sensors.

Broadcast in general and documentaries will probably stick with 2/3, in most cases.
 
Michael Hastings said:
As paul says.

You may be confused thinking S35 is close to Full frame dSLR like a 5dmarkII.

S35/Red sensor is very close to the smaller dSLR size called APS-C used in the Canon 7D, 60D, Digital Rebels, etc. so basically any of the EF-S lenses work fine.

We use wides a lot in underwater and we have used the Canon 10-22, as well as Tokina 11-16, that Sigma 8-16, etc. - all cover the RED1 just fine and I think will work fine on the slightly large Epic 5K, but if there is any issue it would typically be only at the widest setting and you could also just shoot 4K which crops the sensor to the same size sensor as the Red1.

BTW I suspect that any of these are as good or better than that 9.8mm Kinoptic David mentioned - modern SLR glass is pretty good.
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S35 is actually closer to Canon's APS-H Michael, think 1D Mk III/1V, with an approximate crop factor (referenced to FF35mm) of 1.3 (Canon's APS-C crop is 1.6).
Canon recommend EF lenses for APS-H.
 
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He asked about s35.

We have used all of the main superwides on the red1 without issues including ef-s lenses like the 10-22, 11-16, and 8-16.

Afaik epic/scarlet 4k is the same as r1. There may or may not be an issue with the ef-s lenses at 5K at full wide. But then you can step up to the 14mm L f2.8 which will cover all the way up to epic monstro full frame - or simply zoom out a bit - I'm guessing the 8-16 would cover 5k at 10 or 11 even if it doesn't at 8mm. And it would still give the same field of view as the 8 on a Red or S35.

I believe Somewhere duclos has posted coverage of the 11-16 on 5k - duclos is a converted tokina 11-16 canon mount lens.
 
Lenses with a 28mm image circle will cover 4k and 31mm will cover the full active pixel area of 5k S35. So if 5K coverage is needed, best check the image circle if EF-S lenses (or cinema S35 lenses, for that matter) are being considered.
EF L-series lenses are designed to cover the 43mm image circle of FF35mm, so should pose no problems on S35 at 5K.

IIRC, I think the Duclos 11-16 image circle ranges from 32mm at the wider end, to 41mm.
 
G Lap said:
Lenses with a 28mm image circle will cover 4k and 31mm will cover the full active pixel area of 5k S35. So if 5K coverage is needed, best check the image circle if EF-S lenses (or cinema S35 lenses, for that matter) are being considered.
EF L-series lenses are designed to cover the 43mm image circle of FF35mm, so should pose no problems on S35 at 5K.

IIRC, I think the Duclos 11-16 image circle ranges from 32mm at the wider end, to 41mm.
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So there you have it. There will be at least an 11mm low cost $600-$700 f2.8 option. With the added width of 5k it will be like a 9mm on R1M.
 
So most Canon EOS lenses will work? Great news.

Hopefully we'll get a list of all lenses that work and don't work before Scarlet S35 is released.
 
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