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Premiere CS5 and Nividia SDI addon... (Question for David)

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Maz Mawlawi

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Hi David,

At one point you mentioned that you guys were experimenting using a Quadro with an nvidia SDI addon board to do video preview out for color correction and such (since were are unable to use the Red Rocket SDI out for that).....you said that there was a video/sneek preview that was going to be posted online...is it up yet? Are you guys still experimenting with this?

Thanks for all the improvements you guys have been adding to premiere/AE. It's great to see Adobe stepping up so well! :)
 
We use the NVidia SDI out to monitor the Premiere timeline all the time, and it works great. It is compatible with any file that CS5 can play in realtime, and fully leverages Mercury (as opposed to other SDI solutions that have their own edit modes and limitations) I am not sure if it is outputting true 10bit color though. Support for that (and capture via the SDI Pipeline) should definitely be added to the next version.
 
Nvidia SDI outputs only supported on Windows not on Mac as I know.... is it still like that ?
 
McCarthyTech said:
We use the NVidia SDI out to monitor the Premiere timeline all the time, and it works great. It is compatible with any file that CS5 can play in realtime, and fully leverages Mercury (as opposed to other SDI solutions that have their own edit modes and limitations) I am not sure if it is outputting true 10bit color though. Support for that (and capture via the SDI Pipeline) should definitely be added to the next version.
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We use the Nvidia SDI board in conjunction with the 5800fx and I can assure you that the sdi signal is NOT 10 bit. It's 8 bit only. The reason for this is hat the SDI option in premier pro works only when the Nvidia driver is set to dual monitor ON. This a converted DVI signal which is by definition 8 bit. Application that take advantage of full 10 bit SDI out off the Nvidia SDI board must have the driver set to dual monitor OFF. The necessary driver is implemented through an SDK in the application and can switched on there.

Adobe's Premier Pro does not have this driver implemented. Hence the dual monitor workaround. Personally, I doubt that Adobe will ever implement the driver for the Nvidia SDI option. The user base is much to small and the costs to high for what Premier Pro costs.


Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
We use the Nvidia SDI board in conjunction with the 5800fx and I can assure you that the sdi signal is NOT 10 bit. It's 8 bit only. The reason for this is hat the SDI option in premier pro works only when the Nvidia driver is set to dual monitor ON. This a converted DVI signal which is by definition 8 bit. Application that take advantage of full 10 bit SDI out off the Nvidia SDI board must have the driver set to dual monitor OFF. The necessary driver is implemented through an SDK in the application and can switched on there.

Adobe's Premier Pro does not have this driver implemented. Hence the dual monitor workaround. Personally, I doubt that Adobe will ever implement the driver for the Nvidia SDI option. The user base is much to small and the costs to high for what Premier Pro costs.


Hans
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Yes all of that information is correct, but I wouldn't discount the possibility of Adobe adding 10bit support to the SDI output. They already added 10bit support for Displayport outputs in the 5.02 release, so it is getting there. Obviously they are working closely with NVidia, based on the Mercury developments, so I am still hopeful that we will see full 10bit SDI implementation. I would also like to see them bring back the AE extension allowing 10bit output that they discontinued after AE7. Currently AE uses the same 8bit workaround as PPro.
 
McCarthyTech said:
Yes all of that information is correct, but I wouldn't discount the possibility of Adobe adding 10bit support to the SDI output. They already added 10bit support for Displayport outputs in the 5.02 release, so it is getting there. Obviously they are working closely with NVidia, based on the Mercury developments, so I am still hopeful that we will see full 10bit SDI implementation. I would also like to see them bring back the AE extension allowing 10bit output that they discontinued after AE7. Currently AE uses the same 8bit workaround as PPro.
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I would love to see this happen too. But often in this industry speciality applications are costly regarding both, hard- and software. The Nvidia SDI board is pricy for a reason: only a comparable small amount are sold every year. I guess that you did not buy the board because you use it with Premier Pro only. I bought it mine for my grading application and the usage for Premier Pro and AE is a side effect.

The market for user like us is small, very small. Unfortunately, I think that Adobe will invest in terms of engineering resources in many other developments first. And if you ask them they will probably tell you that SDI support is there already with AJA. And the AJA card is IO and not only O. I know the Nvidia SDI option has man advantages..... but.... Well, thats what I think. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Hans
 
I did my original CS5 experimentation on my Speedgrade system, which is what prompted us to acquire the board in the first place, but now I have two, with the second one primarily used to conform and review our current feature film in CS5. (Native DSLR files don't play smoothly out any other SDI option we can find) I agree that NVidia's SDI solution is disproportionally expensive compared to something like AJA's Kona, and their SDI Pipeline ingest card even more so, but I think we will se the price lower, just like everything else does. The fact that there is not 3G SDI output option yet is the part that really gets me. They are risking missing the boat for high end stereoscopic workflows, and they were way ahead in that regard a year and a half ago.
 
McCarthyTech said:
I did my original CS5 experimentation on my Speedgrade system, which is what prompted us to acquire the board in the first place, but now I have two, with the second one primarily used to conform and review our current feature film in CS5. (Native DSLR files don't play smoothly out any other SDI option we can find) I agree that NVidia's SDI solution is disproportionally expensive compared to something like AJA's Kona, and their SDI Pipeline ingest card even more so, but I think we will se the price lower, just like everything else does. The fact that there is not 3G SDI output option yet is the part that really gets me. They are risking missing the boat for high end stereoscopic workflows, and they were way ahead in that regard a year and a half ago.
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I use my Nvidia SDI card for SpeedGrade as well, LOL.

Hans
 
Currently you have to set the SDI Out up as a secondary Dualview monitor in the NVidia control panel, drag your viewing window onto that display, and check the Fullscreen box in the Preview panel. That is 8bit only. If you happen to be way back on AE version 7, NVidia wrote a pluggin for hardware fullscreen 10bit output, so you don't have to mess with the UI setttings, but they didn't update it for newer releases of AE. Obviously either Adobe or NVidia should be able to update it if the user community can convince them that it is work the effort. I would love to be able to return to that AE7 SDI workflow.
 
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