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Looking at SSD's to use with Red Station 2.5"

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Sean McAllister

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I have some Intel X-25M 160GB and they work great for boot drives. I am now looking for some SSD's for transferring footage from location to location. I am looking at the Crucial Real SSD C300's. Anyone with some experience or extensive knowledge in this area please point me in the right direction. Thanks
 
How about the next version of Intels SSD, the 600gb 25 nm production line? It's faster.
But I'm a little doubtful about the writespeed of any SSD, or is there a ram buffer inside Epic that could maintain over 600gb of material?
 
Main thing IMHO is to have SSDs which are larger than their equivalent Red SSDMags, so you won't run out of space backing up to them.

After that I wouldn't be too worried about transfer times as SSD is bloody fast no matter which brand you buy.... ;)

It's then down to cost vs. performance and where your wallet threshold lies.

HTH

Paul
 
you should check out OWC's SSD line, they claim not to suffer from the same flaw as consumer SSDs of they lose performance as they fill up. They offer up a 30 day money back guarantee (with 15% restocking fee) if you aren't happy with the performance of it. It's priced nearly identical as any other SSD line, so worth checking out. I'm waiting for it to drop in price by another 50% before I pick one up.
 
Tom.Wong said:
you should check out OWC's SSD line, they claim not to suffer from the same flaw as consumer SSDs of they lose performance as they fill up. They offer up a 30 day money back guarantee (with 15% restocking fee) if you aren't happy with the performance of it. It's priced nearly identical as any other SSD line, so worth checking out. I'm waiting for it to drop in price by another 50% before I pick one up.
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I just upgraded my OSX boot drive on my MacPro to a 60GB OWC SSD, running about 50% full. A LOT faster than the spinning drive I used to have. Nice when RCX/Rocket crashes my system, reboots in less than 1 minute!
 
The sandforce contollers in a lot of the popular drives are really slow with uncompressable data. The OWC ssd looks like they use one. Have you noticed slow transfers? Also has anyone used ssd's on a daily basis constantly filling them and then deleting and filling? My understanding is they don't last very long under these conditions. How long will they last?
 
Chris Ratledge said:
I just upgraded my OSX boot drive on my MacPro to a 60GB OWC SSD, running about 50% full. A LOT faster than the spinning drive I used to have. Nice when RCX/Rocket crashes my system, reboots in less than 1 minute!
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More like less than 30 seconds on mine. I did the 128GB and I highly recommend them.
 
Sean McAllister said:
The sandforce contollers in a lot of the popular drives are really slow with uncompressable data. The OWC ssd looks like they use one. Have you noticed slow transfers? Also has anyone used ssd's on a daily basis constantly filling them and then deleting and filling? My understanding is they don't last very long under these conditions. How long will they last?
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Transfer rates can drop to lower than 50MB/s on sandforce based drives with R3D data.
 
Deanan, which SSD would you suggest under these conditions?
 
Deanan said:
For offloading footage to?
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Deanan,

It is my understanding that the 1.8" SSD media for EPIC will be RED specific - this has been mentioned in other threads - ruggedized connectors, etc.. So the RED Station 1.8" SSD module is no doubt being designed for RED specific media and will not accept commerical 1.8" SSD's.
On the other hand, the RED Station 2.5" SSD is designed to accept and use standard off the shelf SSD media.

With that premise, the primary question is not offloading the 2.5" to something else - quite the opposite.
Consider the following scenario (which is what I plan on using for my EPIC acquisition / work flow):

RED Station 1.8" SSD as source (RED Specific SSD media) transferring data to RED Station 2.5" SSD destination in the field.

This 2.5" SSD would serve as the first backup - becoming the defacto working archive master - from there, other backups would be driven by either my individual work practices and/or client specs. Of course, checksums and other QC in the field would take place before reformatting the 1.8" for use in camera.

The bottom line is - the choice of 2.5" SSD media is extremely important.
Speed and reliability will be factors at the top of the list.
So add my voice to the inquiries!

In all honesty, I will have a secondary use for 2.5" SSD's - as a recording media in a Cinedeck. This is a non-RED use, but it does standardize some of my location toolkit.
 
How about an OCZ Revo Drive? Will they or can they be made to work with the Red Station?
 
Elsie N said:
How about an OCZ Revo Drive? Will they or can they be made to work with the Red Station?
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Elsie,

The PCIe Revo Drive could be a good solution if you are looking for storage in a desktop / workstation environment.

I'm thinking more of a lightweight, easily transportable field solution perhaps using a laptop with RED Stations. Air travel with excess gear is just not as easy as it used to be.
Also, if working from a location, being able to create multiple backups on removable media that can be shipped via FedEx or delivered via courier is the desired result.
The 2.5" removable SSD looks like a very viable option to satisfy this need.
 
Brian, understood. And my hope, like you, is that the Red Station will have a module that just allows us to pop in our 1.8" SSD and next to it drop in a 2.5" off-the-shelf SATA connector SSD (or, in an expanded portion of the slot, a 2.5 or 3.5" spinning SATA HHD.) In another thread I called this the "Rich Man-Poor Man" solution because it allows those with means to use soon to be released TB versions of SSD or the relatively cheap 2.5" notebook drives or the even cheaper 3.5" HHDs.

I mentioned the OCZ Revo SSDs because they apparently have a different connector from the normal SATA connectors, thus the PCI-E card for use on a PC. They appear to be blazing fast and if there was a way to connect them to Red Station Module, one could possibly find a way to offload two 1.8" SSDs at once.
 
Elsie,
In another thread I had suggested that RED consider offering a RED Station single rack unit with multiple modules. If I remember right, Jeff added the thought of making it a modular chassis.
With the thought you just posted, allow me to expand. I'm thinking that there is another product possible in the future.

Consider a box with 1.8" RED SSD slots.
Integrate something like the Revo SSD technology as an internal storage / buffer.
Build in checksum and other software functions.
Menu display - allows user access to functions (copy, verify, export, etc.) or wireless control via iPad (which could also accommodate playback monitoring).
Finally, connectors to facilitate export to other media (i.e. rugged drives, outboard RED Station modules) - and - direct connect to a computer that would recognize the unit as an external drive.

Call it a "RED Location Station".
 
Brian F Kobylarz said:
Elsie,
In another thread I had suggested that RED consider offering a RED Station single rack unit with multiple modules. If I remember right, Jeff added the thought of making it a modular chassis.
With the thought you just posted, allow me to expand. I'm thinking that there is another product possible in the future.

Consider a box with 1.8" RED SSD slots.
Integrate something like the Revo SSD technology as an internal storage / buffer.
Build in checksum and other software functions.
Menu display - allows user access to functions (copy, verify, export, etc.) or wireless control via iPad (which could also accommodate playback monitoring).
Finally, connectors to facilitate export to other media (i.e. rugged drives, outboard RED Station modules) - and - direct connect to a computer that would recognize the unit as an external drive.

Call it a "RED Location Station".
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Sounds like a viable solution for a larger production. Maybe even reasonably priced, especially if RED already has an OCZ connection (Just going on the fact that RED has some sort of different connector, possibly to allow faster data transfer, and so does OCZ.)
 
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