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The Tricky One

That's great for *you*, but the majority of consumers don't care where something is made. They care more about it being priced competitively.
 
I'll voice my opinion in support of David. Whenever the offer is extended, I'm willing to pay a premium to ensure the product I buy - pretty much any product - is produced in a good environment that supports - not sickens or physically maims - its workers and for a fair wage that allows people to do more than buy their once daily bowl of rice and beans.

It's not terribly important to me if the product is made specifically in the U.S. Personally, humanitarian concerns outweigh nationalism.

Of course, I have no idea what most factory conditions are like, and am certainly not accusing RED or any of their affiliates of doing business in a disrespectful, illegal, or otherwise unfortunate manner - past, present, or future. I am stating that I would personally like RED (and every company, for that matter) to support concepts like Fair Trade. They aren't perfect, but its a good direction.
 
Personally, I don't really care where Scarlet is made, as long as the final product is of a high quality.
 
"Made in America" is a great sentiment, but what does it mean? All components both manufactured here and assembled here, or just assembled here?
 
One side people waited and purchased RED camera without EVF, LCD etc. and working with them with some not fully compatible third party accessories. The other side RED customers were selling cameras used for more than 2 years at a brand new price point. I don't think any body bother a bit if RED charges slightly an additional premium for EPIC because it will be made in USA.
 
As much as I like the idea of a product solely produced in the USA, its a little crazy to think that they could possibly get all the components as needed from one country. As custom as a device like a camera is, its made from mountains of off the shelf components such as IC's, boards, wire etc...

Where do you draw the line as well? Where does the gold on the contacts come from? What about other rare precious metals they need? Some are only found in Africa, Asia and who knows where else.

I think the best we can ask is that the MAJORITY of the manufacture be completed in the USA.
 
David Wesemann said:
maybe there could be options. RED offers more options to their customers than any other company out there. Why not this one?
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You mean have the option of assembly here or overseas? Wouldn't that further complicate manufacture and therefore increase costs?
 
chrislancaster said:
you dont speak for me
:patriot:
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I'm using history and common sense as a guide. If the *majority* of people cared about whether things are made in America or not, we'd all being driving Buicks and watching RCA TVs.

Heck, most American brands aren't even made in America.

Anyone who starts a business of manufacturing a product, and thinks that they will sell more of the product just because it's made in America, is fooling themselves. If it's a better made product, you can command a premium price (because it's better) but you can't command a premium price if it's no better than everything else out there.
 
I like the tag "Made in Japan" a lot. If there would be one place in the world I would like an electronics product made, it has to be Japan. But like I said, it is only the quality of the product that matters. You could have horrible Japanese/American product and its Vietnamese competitor may be superb. Let's not get into such generalizations.
 
I'm still trying to figure out what it means for me when I see that my Toyota Tacoma is made in Texas.

People in Detroit give me a hard time about it.


"No wonder this circuit failed. It says "Made in Japan".
What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan."
 
I agree with Michael Olsen... it would be nice if it were done in a good working environment. I couldn't care less where that is though.

This forum is sometimes a bit insular in thinking that everyone is American and even from L.A/Hollywood, at times.

That said, Jim is American and can proudly put "Made in America" on the Epic... it really does mean something in this day and age.
 
Aaron Newsome said:
I'm using history and common sense as a guide. If the *majority* of people cared about whether things are made in America or not, we'd all being driving Buicks and watching RCA TVs.

Heck, most American brands aren't even made in America.

Anyone who starts a business of manufacturing a product, and thinks that they will sell more of the product just because it's made in America, is fooling themselves. If it's a better made product, you can command a premium price (because it's better) but you can't command a premium price if it's no better than everything else out there.
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But times they are a changin'...

It could be both a premium product, and made in America, then you could demand a premium price and employ more Americans. More Americans employed means more money in our economy, less drag on our social welfare system, less debt, better schools, blah blah blah... unless that doesn't matter to you?

I think the idea of a very high end product from an American company made here in America is an attractive angle for Americans. Maybe not so much for our international friends. We have extremely high unemployment here and there is not a lot of hope in sight that it's going the other direction soon enough. Bring on the jobs.

I think our sector (film production/advertising broadcast) has been very lucky in this Great Recession, but manufacturing/tech jobs have been vanishing for decades and have been hit very hard recently. Time to start making things again in America instead of just creating complex financial instruments that take down peoples savings and jobs.

Stepping off the soap box...

bk
 
Aaron Newsome said:
That's great for *you*, but the majority of consumers don't care where something is made. They care more about it being priced competitively.
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Not true. Maybe for *you* but not for everyone.
The existing RED has multiple issues because of where and how it was built. Nothing to do with the people... just the options they have to build them with.
For example, the RED is very difficult to shoot 3D because the chips in cameras are seated differently in each camera. Also, the lens mounts are different from camera to camera because they were hand assembled...


C
 
As an American, I would love to see a homegrown American camera company make its products in the USA.

However I can be bought and there are limits to the premium I’d be willing to pay to see this happen. I’m all for it if RED deems it a feasible option, however in the end it is the product itself that will determine purchasing decisions.

Point is, I’m willing to pay more, just not *that* much more. :beer:
 
I can't possibly be creative and politically correct at the same time. I don't even know what PC means any more. The jobs are where the jobs are, for any number of reasons. Are people NOT going to buy a RED camera based on where it was manufactured?

Oh I sincerely doubt that. Sneakers and coffee, maybe, but this is a non-issue secondary to getting the thing properly manufactured.
 
Personally, I think Jim J has exhibited a whole lot of personal integrity in the way he does business. I'd expect no less in this situation. Insofar as it does look like he is driving this bus, I am willing to trust his judgement and just assume he will weigh all the factors; practical, economic, humanitarian and whatever else. There is no one on this forum more capable of making this decision than he. I am willing to trust him to make it wisely.

As others have pointed out, the idea of "Made in...(insert place here)" is pretty much a non-starter. Very few products, and especially complex products, can stand up to that test. I can't think of too many honorable people who'd argue with the idea of avoiding abusive conditions but, again, no one is better suited to balance everything than the RED management team.
 
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