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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

YouTube 4K

Glad to see that our obsession for resolution wasn't so delusional after all :)
 
Tonaci Tran said:
3k Scarlet is 5 grand. You gotta pay to play. Know any other 4k option cheaper than the Red One?
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Yeah, but only Red has taken the position that anything less than 4K is obsolescent. New motto for 3K Scarlet: "Sure it's obsolescent, but, hey, it's cheap."
 
Yeah but where are the 4k monitors? And by that, I'm referring to one that wouldn't cost the proverbial arm and a leg.
 
Looks to me like the "4K" that youtube is currently showing off is just now starting to look like 1080P (sort of) ... still I'm happy that things seems to be moving in the right direction. If they could only get rid of some of the nasty compression artifacts.
 
Lawrence Bansbach said:
Yeah, but only Red has taken the position that anything less than 4K is obsolescent. New motto for 3K Scarlet: "Sure it's obsolescent, but, hey, it's cheap."
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Are you suggesting they should not make a 3k scarlet just because they believe 4k delivery is the future?

Just because they believe 4k should be the standard instead of 1080p does not mean they can't make an "entry" level 3k camera for those who won't be able to afford the Scarlet s35. As a current red owner who also believes in 4k delivery, I ZERO problem with them making a 3k camera and I have no problem buying one.
 
Lawrence Bansbach said:
Yeah, but only Red has taken the position that anything less than 4K is obsolescent. New motto for 3K Scarlet: "Sure it's obsolescent, but, hey, it's cheap."
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it does not say 4k anyway it says "original" so technically it could be anything over 1080p

4k,3k, 2k
 
Tonaci Tran said:
Are you suggesting they should not make a 3k scarlet just because they believe 4k delivery is the future?

Just because they believe 4k should be the standard instead of 1080p does not mean they can't make an "entry" level 3k camera for those who won't be able to afford the Scarlet s35. As a current red owner who also believes in 4k delivery, I ZERO problem with them making a 3k camera and I have no problem buying one.
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of course, you dont care that scarlet is basically a contradiction to everything RED stands for because you have a red one.

secondly, who cares about 4k youtube at the moment?
1080 still looks like shit IMO even fullscreened on a 1280x800 monitor.
if they cant get that right....
How man people really watches youtube videos at a resolution higher than a baseball card in the first place?

meh, i guess it's cool but there's soo many other factors, like higher rez. monitors, before there is an excuse to do more than roll your eyes at the announcement
 
i think that youtube saw the opportunity. Hey we can allow 4k on the website with just a simple change in the code. SAY HELLO TO ARTIFACTS. it still looks like absolute garbage but thats the price you pay for trying to stream 4k. I think we are still at least 3 years from streaming clean 4k. even then who has the 4k monitors? No offence to utube i think this is rad but its got a long long way to go.
 
From the youtube blog: "Today at the VidCon 2010 conference, we announced support for videos shot in 4K (a reference resolution of 4096 x 3072), meaning that now we support original video resolution from 360p all the way up to 4096p."
Pardon my pickiness, but isnt that technically 3072P? Progressive scanned VERTICAL lines? Just thought it was kind of funny to have such a techno-centric new feature lauded incorrectly... still a cool step though. Now they just need to integrate REDRAY encoding to youtube so the 4k won't look like barely passable 1080 :)
 
Eric Cameron said:
From the youtube blog: "Today at the VidCon 2010 conference, we announced support for videos shot in 4K (a reference resolution of 4096 x 3072), meaning that now we support original video resolution from 360p all the way up to 4096p."
Pardon my pickiness, but isnt that technically 3072P? Progressive scanned VERTICAL lines? Just thought it was kind of funny to have such a techno-centric new feature lauded incorrectly... still a cool step though. Now they just need to integrate REDRAY encoding to youtube so the 4k won't look like barely passable 1080 :)
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THANK YOU, for pointing this out. Was bugging the life out of me :P The 4096p-claim was also copied to Engadget among others...
 
Vertical resolution is based on broadcast standards (720, 1080), cinema has traditionally used Horizontal Rez (1k, 2k, 4k) which is aspect ratio agnostic. There is no 4k broadcast standard so they used the most common terminology.

If they were to change anything to reflect accuracy it should be the lower resolutions, of course that would just confuse people.
 
Justin Armstrong said:
of course, you dont care that scarlet is basically a contradiction to everything RED stands for because you have a red one.
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even if I didn't own a red one, I would still want a scarlet. even if red said 28 is the future, i still will want the 5k, 6, 9k you name it.

Justin Armstrong said:
secondly, who cares about 4k youtube at the moment?
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I'm glad they are doing it now rather than later.

Justin Armstrong said:
1080 still looks like shit IMO even fullscreened on a 1280x800 monitor.
if they cant get that right....
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I think youtube HD looks great actually considering they have to balance file size vs quality for faster streaming. To each his own opinion.


Justin Armstrong said:
How man people really watches youtube videos at a resolution higher than a baseball card in the first place?
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I can't stand how standard res youtube videos look when in fullscreen mode and I definitely don't like squinting at youtube videos playing back at baseball card size.

Justin Armstrong said:
meh, i guess it's cool but there's soo many other factors, like higher rez. monitors, before there is an excuse to do more than roll your eyes at the announcement
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Youtube 4k is good because it will perhaps motivate lcd makers to bring 4k lcd panels to the masses.
 
Evin Grant said:
Vertical resolution is based on broadcast standards (720, 1080), cinema has traditionally used Horizontal Rez (1k, 2k, 4k) which is aspect ratio agnostic. There is no 4k broadcast standard so they used the most common terminology.

If they were to change anything to reflect accuracy it should be the lower resolutions, of course that would just confuse people.
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Sure, but it's just that when you add the 'p' at the end like that, at least my mind reads it a certain way (broadcast way), and it just bugs me... The very best thing would of course be if they told us (media professionals in this case) the actual resolution of every video, but I understand how it might be non-important to the regular youtube-viewer.
 
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