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Dvice Names Red one of "Top 7 American-made technologies"

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Curran Giddens said:
It is the top 6 and RED is at #2!
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I bet for many here RED is number one on their list. :laugh:


I just wish there is someone out there who will create and market a vehicle with an industry changing, disruptive technology.
 
Ryan Patch said:
I have no idea what dvice is (apparently it's a part of SyFy), but today they put the RED up there with the iPhone 4, the Boeing 787, Google Computing, and the Intel i7 chip. Not bad company.
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I think calling at least some of these things "American Made" is really stretching it a bit. The iPhone and the Red One may be sold by American companies, and may incorporate technology that was largely designed in the US, but they hardly qualify as "American made," at least if you regard where something is "made" as being where it's manufactured.

Of course, if they were actually "American Made," they wouldn't cost as little as they do, either.
 
M Most said:
I think calling at least some of these things "American Made" is really stretching it a bit. The iPhone and the Red One may be sold by American companies, and may incorporate technology that was largely designed in the US, but they hardly qualify as "American made," at least if you regard where something is "made" as being where it's manufactured.

Of course, if they were actually "American Made," they wouldn't cost as little as they do, either.
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That's a pretty shallow view of the effort and value that goes into making a product. Design, R&D, firmware, etc. all account for the majority part of "made".

It's like saying your value as a colorist is only worth as much as the hardware/software you purchased.
Or a cinematographer's image is defined by the camera he's using...
 
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Deanan said:
That's a pretty shallow view of the effort and value that goes into making a product. Design, R&D, firmware, etc. all account for the majority part of "made".

It's like saying your value as a colorist is only worth as much as the hardware/software you purchased.
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I value a colorist by their eyes & how few bugs they have in their brain.
 
Deanan said:
That's a pretty shallow view of the effort and value that goes into making a product. Design, R&D, firmware, etc. all account for the majority part of "made".

It's like saying your value as a colorist is only worth as much as the hardware/software you purchased.
Or a cinematographer's image is defined by the camera he's using...
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No, it's not. It's simply asserting that saying something is "made in America" implies that it's manufactured there. I'm quite aware that there are other aspects to product creation, but if that's what they wanted to imply, the list should have been "American created products" rather than "American made products." Creating something isn't the same as making it, as anyone who's ever been granted a patent on something that hasn't actually been built yet will attest to. I'm not trying to put any value judgement on manufacturing vs. design, R&D, and financing, I'm just saying that in my mind, and I would assume a lot of other peoples', "making" something means manufacturing it. That's all.
 
Every time someone talks about "Made in America", and "Buy American" and stuff like that, I always want to post this article from CapMag: http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/economics//576-Buy-American--American.html.

If you have the time, please read it.

Nothing wrong with buying American, and I do consider RED-products extremely American and I love it, but American is not necessarily always the right choice.
 
I don't think this article said anything about buying American... and for all you "buzz-kill" guys, if somebody doesn't design, engineer and make something in the US... we are all in trouble. It would be sad, in my eyes, to see the US become a service only country.

Almost 90% of the sunglasses that Oakley sells are made in Foothill Ranch. And our current plan is to manufacture EPIC in the US.... completely. That doesn't mean that you need to buy one over a German or Japanese product... it just means that we believe in the capability for US companies to compete heads up with the rest of the world...

I don't read too much in this article more than an acknowledgment of our efforts to create jobs and do something important here in the US. Our customers will decide how well we did... not the press.

Jim
 
M Most said:
No, it's not. It's simply asserting that saying something is "made in America" implies that it's manufactured there. I'm quite aware that there are other aspects to product creation, but if that's what they wanted to imply, the list should have been "American created products" rather than "American made products." Creating something isn't the same as making it, as anyone who's ever been granted a patent on something that hasn't actually been built yet will attest to. I'm not trying to put any value judgement on manufacturing vs. design, R&D, and financing, I'm just saying that in my mind, and I would assume a lot of other peoples', "making" something means manufacturing it. That's all.
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make (mk)
v. made (md), mak·ing, makes
v.tr.
1. To cause to exist or happen; bring about; create:

From the article: "It's a good time to remember that a lot of the best technology in the world is created right here in the U.S."

Making something is not strictly "manufacturing".
 
Look at the back of an iPhone. It says "Designed by Apple in California. Assembled in China." Pretty straightforward and, I assume, honest. Is that "American Made?"... Or not?? Is a Prius built in California or somewhere else in the US "Made in America" or is it simply a Japanese car?
 
H. Farberg said:
Every time someone talks about "Made in America", and "Buy American" and stuff like that, I always want to post this article from CapMag: http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/economics//576-Buy-American--American.html.

If you have the time, please read it.

Nothing wrong with buying American, and I do consider RED-products extremely American and I love it, but American is not necessarily always the right choice.
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The America Revolution was not fought so the Colonists could buy from the lowest cost producer.

The United States was founded on the ideal that there are certain rights every individual is born with and which no government should have the power to take away. Related to this is the rejection of the implicit and explicit justification of divine right for monarchy.

John Adams was the moving force behind Independence. While the founders were of varied religious backgrounds, Adams was a devoted Christian. It was his belief in a personal God that cares for each and every one of His creations that shaped his view on independence for the Colonies.

The Battle of Bunker Hill was America's Red One. Everyone was surprised at the victory by an utterly inexperienced army fighting against the British who were the most powerful and experienced force in the world. The rest of the Revolution was more like building Epic and Scarlet: delays, setbacks, spiraling costs, nay says and the designers working to the point of absolute physical and mental exhaustion.

But these efforts were never done to secure the right of North Americans two hundred and thirty-three years later to buy $39 DVD players made by slave labor living in "workers dorms" half way around the world on the outskirts of the most polluted city known to man. No, not Newark, Beijing.

The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, three equal but separate branches of government, democratic elections, these were not motivated by some inherent good of a person repeating the same task 18 hours a day and finally jumping off the factory roof so their family can get death benefits.

America was founded on humanist and religious ideals that can be found in places like the writings of Aristotle and Plato and the books of the Bible.
 
All other interpretations aside:

Congratulations. I think it's fun that people are even aware of such a niche technology as Digital Cinema Cameras @ the same level as the iPhone. And as for changing a whole business, RED is at least as significant as Apple has been.

And a mention together with i7, says something of the degree dvice see...

I take my virtual hat off.
 
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