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Four Thirds Scarlet?

Ken Martini

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With the coming of the Panasonic's AG-AF100 I am hoping that Red gets the message that a four thirds Scarlett would be the dragon slayer. Otherwise I think sales won't be as expected.

I love my Red, and am hoping that Red stays on the vanguard. I know they can deliver a way superior camera; there just has to be a 4/3rds option. I would not even mind paying more for it than the AG-AF100. I would be getting a better product.

As much as I want to support Red, I like many others I will go for the first 4/3rds video style camera that arrives on the scene with interchangeable lenses, bad codec or not.

I hate to say this, but, It is all about depth of field and cheap lenses, stupid. I say this in hopes that Red wins this race.
 
Ken Martini said:
With the coming of the Panasonic's AG-AF100 I am hoping that Red gets the message that a four thirds Scarlett would be the dragon slayer. Otherwise I think sales won't be as expected.
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There's the S35 scarlet. It's so close to 4/3" that i see no sense in making both. And you can always shoot 3K with it, in order to use cheap lenses with smaller image circle.
 
Ken Martini said:
With the coming of the Panasonic's AG-AF100 I am hoping that Red gets the message that a four thirds Scarlett would be the dragon slayer. Otherwise I think sales won't be as expected.

I love my Red, and am hoping that Red stays on the vanguard. I know they can deliver a way superior camera; there just has to be a 4/3rds option. I would not even mind paying more for it than the AG-AF100. I would be getting a better product.

As much as I want to support Red, I like many others I will go for the first 4/3rds video style camera that arrives on the scene with interchangeable lenses, bad codec or not.

I hate to say this, but, It is all about depth of field and cheap lenses, stupid. I say this in hopes that Red wins this race.
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Not sure I agree 100% with your policework, there, Lou.
 
Ken Martini said:
With the coming of the Panasonic's AG-AF100 I am hoping that Red gets the message that a four thirds Scarlett would be the dragon slayer. Otherwise I think sales won't be as expected.

I love my Red, and am hoping that Red stays on the vanguard. I know they can deliver a way superior camera; there just has to be a 4/3rds option. I would not even mind paying more for it than the AG-AF100. I would be getting a better product.

As much as I want to support Red, I like many others I will go for the first 4/3rds video style camera that arrives on the scene with interchangeable lenses, bad codec or not.

I hate to say this, but, It is all about depth of field and cheap lenses, stupid. I say this in hopes that Red wins this race.
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Yeah - I am just going to race out and buy a "bad codec." :lol:
 
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Speaking as someone who does a lot of corporate and some event work, 2/3" sounds great to me. I imagine many, if not most working videographers are like me, working with budgets that don't include a focus-puller on top of a grip-gaffer and a soundman, and in many cases, could use all the DOF they can get.
 
If films shot on S16mm and 2/3" format cameras can win major Oscars two years running, I don't think the format is a problem at all. I like the 4/3 format too, eventually i think it will be the S16 equivalent for digital cinema cameras.
But I am not fond of cheap still lenses for motion shooting.
Seems like a lot of 4/3 stills shooters have developed an appreciation for premium quality fast 16mm primes in the 25mm and up focal lengths too. To the point where they are willingly paying over $1k for 25 year old used examples in good condition.
 
David Rasberry said:
If films shot on S16mm and 2/3" format cameras can win major Oscars two years running, I don't think the format is a problem at all. I like the 4/3 format too, eventually i think it will be the S16 equivalent for digital cinema cameras.
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All that I am saying is that Red is ignoring a very desirable format. They will pay a price for this. David you are right that 4/3rds will be the 16mm replacement. That is why Red needs to take the high ground here. They were on the forefront of making the 35mm replacement. Now they need to make the 16mm replacement.
 
2/3" is the standard 16mm replacement, essentially the same image size. 4/3 would be a significant step up in image size over 16mm or S16mm.
A 4/3 mount option for the S35 model would be a great choice for shooting 3k with some premium 4/3 lenses.

Personally I'm sticking with 2/3" Cinema to start with. I prefer a really good fast broad range zoom lens to a box full of primes for the most part. Yes good zooms are relatively expensive, even for used ones in decent condition. To each his own.
But I do find the thought of an M4/3 format 4k Scarlet intriguing, especially if it could notch in between the 2/3" and S35 in price.
 
I don't think there's been any major awards won with a SINGLE 2/3" sensor with a bayer pattern on it. I think those cameras used 3x 2/3 sensor with a prism up front.

I'm sure the forum will correct me if I'm wrong.
 
SI-2k mini uses a single 2/3 sensor? Well I'll be damned. Learn something every day.
 
From SI's site:

The Silicon Imaging SI-2K uses a single large 16:9 format 2/3” CMOS sensor, with it's design enabling the use of lower-cost 16mm film-style lenses, eliminating the optical aberrations caused by a 3-chip prism assembly.

It really does use a single 2/3" CMOS.
 
they even shoot only 12 fps in slums :)
 
Aaron Newsome said:
From SI's site:

The Silicon Imaging SI-2K uses a single large 16:9 format 2/3” CMOS sensor, with it's design enabling the use of lower-cost 16mm film-style lenses, eliminating the optical aberrations caused by a 3-chip prism assembly.

It really does use a single 2/3" CMOS.
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Closest current equivalent to Scarlet on the market. But still only 2k.
 
I wonder what the number of photosites on each sensor is. I'm sure it's probably posted in this forum somewhere.
 
Which lenses interest you in the 4/3 range?

There are some nice lenses, of course.... but they are DSLR style lens. No better or worse than a Canon prime.

2/3" can take 16mm / c-mount, which opens you up to some nice cinema glass.
 
Jim Retar said:
Which lenses interest you in the 4/3 range?

There are some nice lenses, of course.... but they are DSLR style lens. No better or worse than a Canon prime.

2/3" can take 16mm / c-mount, which opens you up to some nice cinema glass.
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Olympus makes a premium range of f2 and f2.8 constant speed zooms for 4/3.
These are superb telecentric lens designs specifically for digital sensors.
 
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