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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet update in mid-May

Let the faith be restored : ] The Scarlet sounds amazing.

Thank you so so so much Jarred!

-Morgan
 
Hey guys, once I take my time working and then taking care of the lady instead of surfing on the internet... but hey, Joseph knows my questions better than me anyway.
About the "when" questions:

I would have asked something like:
1. "Will Scarlet be finished in August?"
2. "Will Scarlet be finished in September?"
3. "Will...

You get the picture.

Anyways, thanks for responding, Jarred.
 
Felix K. said:
Hey guys, once I take my time working and then taking care of the lady instead of surfing on the internet... but hey, Joseph knows my questions better than me anyway.
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I actually used your thread as a guideline for most of the questions that both you and me would have liked answers for. ;)
 
Jarred Land said:
There is one thing I can tell you is still on track... Our relentless pursuit on mastering the art of successfully missing every single date we ever announce... that seems to be well on schedule.
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Looking at the fact that you and Jim are happily married: you haven't missed all dates ;)
 
Morgan Sussman said:
Let the faith be restored : ] The Scarlet sounds amazing.

Thank you so so so much Jarred!

-Morgan
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That's what makes Jarred and RED strong. Each day there's a new friend to join us. Be welcome!

E. :-)
 
Joseph Hutson said:
I'm not a RED employee yet, but this is what I'd say from the outside looking in...

1: I think you'd hate to receive a 2/3" Scarlet in 2011
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I think you said it accurately as reduser crowd spokesman ;-)
 
Rick Burnett said:
Actually, is is VERY possible that they are in fact the same sensors and speed binned on how fast they can operate.

There is typically quite a bit of other support circuitry on the sensor die, and if they are really pushing the silicon speed, the EPIC S35 needs might be only a very small percentage of what they get out of fab. Typically extremely high speed chips target a single process corner to get the fastest operation there, and then the slower corners are used to produce a slower model.

It's not just the support circuitry in the rest of the system.

Chip design is done using statistical analysis of process variation. They typically take a 6-sigma approach around a typical result. This means there are probabilities involved in what you will get back on each wafer AND across each wafer. The distribution is a Gaussian distribution. The harder the requirements, the smaller section of that curve will produce a usable die. There is always a balance in chip design between wrangling in variance in your calculations or just taking a hit on product since if you factor in ALL variation possibilities, it would be impossible to design a chip that always worked in every die at high speeds.

So if their sensors were like 1 epic produced for every 10 scarlet, you can see that the epic, on cost value, is 10x since you have to produce 10x as many to get that number that work for your application.
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Please help me. Does this mean that Scarlet is pretty much a way to sell still good chips but chips that do not meet Epic standards. And that Scarlet sales are a way to make it possible to offer Epic at prices less than a Sony F35?
 
Philip Lipetz said:
Please help me. Does this mean that Scarlet is pretty much a way to sell still good chips but chips that do not meet Epic standards. And that Scarlet sales are a way to make it possible to offer Epic at prices less than a Sony F35?
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Basically, a chip may be designed to achieve a speed of let's say, 120 fps for an Epic. Due to fabrication anomalies, it is rare for semiconductors to perform exactly the same way. Some will do 130, some 150, some 80, on the same voltage. Anything above a certain limit can be used for the Epic. Unfortunately, if you have a chip hitting a clock speed that belts out 110 fps, it is clearly not going to make it in an Epic. Instead of throwing this chip away, they can put into a lower clocked product, in this case the Scarlet. Now all this is purely hypothetical, so don't mind me putting in Epic and Scarlet in there. I am sure there's more than just binned chips - there must be other bottlenecks in the Scarlet which prevent high framerates. The S35 Scarlet will obviously be smaller (and cheaper) than the Epic, and one must wonder where they lose their size (and production cost). A quick guess must be more compact and cheaper ASICs as a tradeoff for framerates. In addition, yes, the lower clocked chips will definitely end up in the Scarlet.

As for the Sony F35, it is clear they are sold at exorbitant profit margins, I don't think their production costs are that many times higher than an Epic's.
 
Great, 10 questions that didn't say much. The suspense is just insane! Too bad nobody asked about the S35 Scarlet. For me, the 2/3 model is the B camera just for the frame rates, the S35 would be the A camera. Yes, the 2/3 is currently the first scheduled to come out but I think people are forgetting that it will be a 2/3 camera, definitely not like their "practice" cameras from Canon, Nikon, etc. Hate to say it, but I'm not excited at all by anything said in the 10 questions list.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, still excited about Scarlet, but frustrated that it's still such a mystery! >.<
 
Zack Birlew said:
Great, 10 questions that didn't say much. The suspense is just insane! Too bad nobody asked about the S35 Scarlet. For me, the 2/3 model is the B camera just for the frame rates, the S35 would be the A camera. Yes, the 2/3 is currently the first scheduled to come out but I think people are forgetting that it will be a 2/3 camera, definitely not like their "practice" cameras from Canon, Nikon, etc. Hate to say it, but I'm not excited at all by anything said in the 10 questions list.
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Feel free to ask your own questions in the thread. I am sure we would all love to see more answers.
 
Philip Lipetz said:
Please help me. Does this mean that Scarlet is pretty much a way to sell still good chips but chips that do not meet Epic standards. And that Scarlet sales are a way to make it possible to offer Epic at prices less than a Sony F35?
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Deciding not to be a thief is all that's necessary to offer your products for less than Sony products.
 
Subhadip Sen is right, cpu manufacturers do this all the time, there's nothing really wrong about. I always buy my cpu's with a lower clock speed and overclock them to save money. However, you do need the cooling power to handle it.
 
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