RED and Arri...

[JonathanF]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey T. Morgan

It could be written about, as I am sure so many there will do, but also collected into a DPREVIEW.COM type of comparison chart with commentary.

DPREVIEW would not be my choice. American Cinematographer would be a more suitable venue. This is not a camera review but a technical review and it requires a publication that is answerable to someone besides it's advertisers.

A camera test is a far larger thing that requires a proper crew work with the camera for a couple days and provide feedback. I have yet to see that on ANY of these camera systems and it's another thing that should be done. I have a pilot coming up and we're testing various systems in live shoot situations with talent. I'll have a DIT, 1st and 2nd on each of those shoots and that's the kind of venue you'd want to use for a camera test. I'm not offering, just saying that's the kind of venue you want for a 'camera test' as opposed to a 'comparative technical review.'

A reputable post facility should also review the post path including the ease of integration with other media (film plates or other digital camera systems). No offense to Hollywood DI but I mean someone LONG established like Technicolor (TDI). Josh Pines would be my first choice for an evaluation of the data in post as he's got the relevant street credibility with the vast majority of us working features for the past decade+. Josh has an Academy Award for his technical contributions to the industry, he's got vast experience with almost every imaginable post workflow and he's one of the most knowledgeable people on color in the business. He also will not blow sunshine up anyone's skirt.

That sort of thing is going to cost and I think both Arri and Red should be willing to make that happen as it's a significant part of any RELEVANT comparison.

Perhaps both parties would submit to having an objective developer in the industry also review their SDK's. Josh again would make a qualified candidate. This way we get a clear picture of how well each company is 'playing nice' with others.

[Jay A. Kelley]

So does all this mean that there is now a WORKING Epic prototype? Or will the test simply take place usng an R1 with a new sensor?

Jay

[Jeffrey T. Morgan]

Originally Posted by christopher witzke

Any chance to get the test filmed doc style? A mini doc on the process and the people behind the test? It would be total gear porn! I'd gladly pay $9.99 on itunes for such a film... and why not give the proceeds to charity? I just love "everybody wins" scenarios!

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I was just going to suggest this! It keeps everything honest, plus I would love to be a fly on the wall during the projection and evaluation stage listening to the old dogs hashing it out.

Jeff

[Irri]

Originally Posted by Dane Brehm

Since I have seen nothing but "press releases" for ARRI Relativity aka Pixel Strings which is a PC based system. I only hope to not be plagued with "Windows" issues during the use of the Alexa.

Isn't Relativity a completely separate piece of software?

[Jeffrey T. Morgan]

Originally Posted by JonathanF

DPREVIEW would not be my choice. American Cinematographer would be a more suitable venue. This is not a camera review but a technical review and it requires a publication that is answerable to someone besides it's advertisers...

I didn't say to have DP REVIEW run the test, I said a DP REVIEW STYLE of charts with commentary. Providing a side by side of specs while walkign us through the results.

American Cinematographer and others should be invited to write articles and such, if they want.

I think the actual evaluation will be handled by the public.

But again, I wasn't recommending a DSLR website to review the new line of Motion Picture Cameras. I just like the way their reviews are laid out.

Jeff

[Stephen Williams]

Originally Posted by Tom Lowe

Lol Stephen, you're not getting a little nervous here for film, are you? I notice that now you want to bring a 65mm film camera to this 35mm comparison shoot. Why not 35mm?

BTW, wait for Monstro FF35 and then we can set up a proper test against Panavision 65mm.

35mm is fine by me, I never thought RED One with M sensor looked anything like 65mm, but I am not a famous well respected director.

[James Brundige]

Originally Posted by Pawel Achtel

At ISO 4000 you won't see a damn thing in an optical view finder. Good digital monitoring blows any optical view finder from the water. Especially with F@#$ LUT, where you can apply your profile to RAW and WYSIWYG. This is what you need. How do you do that with optical VF? Useless as tits on a wombat...

Agreed, except for leaving out the poor baby wombats.

[Stephen Williams]

Originally Posted by Gavin Greenwalt

At least $20k.
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I can build my own one for less than that.

[M Most]

I would humbly suggest waiting with such comparisons until the products actually exist. What one would want to compare would be the Alexa line with the Epic. That means there actually needs to be an Alexa and an Epic, not pre production, non-working prototypes.

I understand Jim's desire to have everyone stand up and take notice of the Mysterium X's capabilities, but I would also say that most people in the industry are already doing that. Since it will likely be more refined and have additional capabilities in the Epic line, it will be more directly comparable to what Arri is trying to do. There is little point in setting up any kind of formal comparison until both products are finished and in shipping condition. Testing prior to product completion and revealing those tests in public is part of what got Red in trouble with some of the mainstream industry early on. It is not fair or sensible to expect Arri to put themselves in a similar position.

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Originally Posted by nota_zero

Maybe, just for fun, some film stock proposed by jury members?

Then you´d have an only winner. Sorry can´t help it.