Newer REDCINE-X posted...

[Rick Darge]

A lot of people, myself included, agree that Color produces less than superior results when compared to Redcine outputs. Something to do with the debayering process.

[Stepan Kment]

Originally Posted by Deanan

As it evolves it also means that other apps can then communicate directly with REDcineX.

Perhaps for real time debayer on request? Beauty of native import in AfterFX is there is no need to debayer to intermediate data, having still ability to quickly re-grade without slow re-rendering to intermediate data files... which tend to be laaarge - r3d of whole feature are few hundreds of gigs, however DPXes of the same are terabytes.

Still I think what Cineform does with their First Light or how it is called is really great idea, to create metadata library using nice Redcine GUI, then provide debayer with such adjustments on-fly for other apps.

However, I guess you are more clever than we all here anyway and know this very well.

[Luis Otero]

Originally Posted by Richard Darge

A lot of people, myself included, agree that Color produces less than superior results when compared to Redcine outputs. Something to do with the debayering process.

Count me as one of them!!! The difference is day and night.


I have shown a grab from a quick CC using Redcine-X on set to the director, and when they receive the entire scene graded with Color, they go kind of "Uh..., but this is not the same as you showed me on set. I like it way better the other way!"


So, what should we do? Make our "salaries" to be lower due to extra work to deliver a vastly superior product, or being eficient, but delivering a product that you know will be better if treated with Redcine-X first.


Anyway, I hope that the mere existence of Redcine-X is not just to dream of how good the footage could look. In my eyes, I want to use it immediately since the results cannot be obtained with other products at the same level.


Just my 2 cents...

[Luca Immesi]

I take the best of both worlds: with Redcine x and RED Rocket™™ you can have a full debayer in real time, with Color, once the files are trascoded to prores 4444 or Dpx (I love prores 4444), you can apply secondaries, color fx etc. And the quality is amazing. With Clipfinder you can already send to redcine x only the clips that you used in the editing (but you have to render the full clip).

[oliver imfeld]

luca,

what is your workflow once you've rendered all the clips in CF, i mean how do you send them to Color ?

thx mate, o

[Luca Immesi]

Originally Posted by oliver imfeld

luca,

what is your workflow once you've rendered all the clips in CF, i mean how do you send them to Color ?

thx mate, o

You can do FCP>Clipfinder>Redcine X>Clipfinder>FCP>Color
Export an xml from FCP
In Clipfinder File>Import clips from FCP XML
(if you previously edit with offline prores choose Tools>replace mov with R3D or skip to next step)
Edit>Select All and copy the R3Ds
Make a new folder in you system and Paste the R3Ds
In Redcine X open the folder with the browser
Grade and render
In Clipfinder Tools>Run conform from FCP XML
XML input file choose the XML previously exported from FCP
XML output file choose a name and a destination
In Clip Directories put the path to the clips rendered with Redcine X
Open the new XML with FCP
Send to Color

If you feel brave you can disable the safe mode in Clipfinder and using the L&T function to move only the clips used in FCP editing.

[Dave Beard]

Originally Posted by Luca Immesi

You can do FCP>Clipfinder>Redcine X>Clipfinder>FCP>Color
Export an xml from FCP
In Clipfinder File>Import clips from FCP XML
(if you previously edit with offline prores choose Tools>replace mov with R3D or skip to next step)
Edit>Select All and copy the R3Ds
Make a new folder in you system and Paste the R3Ds
In Redcine X open the folder with the browser
Grade and render
In Clipfinder Tools>Run conform from FCP XML
XML input file choose the XML previously exported from FCP
XML output file choose a name and a destination
In Clip Directories put the path to the clips rendered with Redcine X
Open the new XML with FCP
Send to Color

If you feel brave you can disable the safe mode in Clipfinder and using the L&T function to move only the clips used in FCP editing.

Am I correct in saying the only disadvantage to this is that you have to render the entire length of the clip instead of just what is used in the XML?

[Dave Beard]

Sorry, you already answered that above. Hopefully we'll get something that can achieve this soon.

[Luis Otero]

Originally Posted by Dave Beard

Am I correct in saying the only disadvantage to this is that you have to render the entire length of the clip instead of just what is used in the XML?

Dave,

Yes, this is the only disadvantage. I tried it and it does work perfectly fine! But you CANNOT cut any single frame while the footage is in Redcine-X, or the workflow does not do what it is intended.

It takes A LOT of time to render the full debayered software (if you do not have RedRocket like me), but it is so worth it!

THANKS LUCA, THANKS A LOT!