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    Updated. Dec 16th, 2012.

    Did anyone start a thread on this subject yet?

    CINE Lenses

    K35s will cover 6k.
    CP2 will cover 6k.
    New CP2 Super Speeds cover 6k.
    Zeiss Super Speeds will cover 5k.
    Zeiss Standard Speeds cover 5k, except the 16mm.
    Super Baltars cover 5k.
    RPP's cover 5K, except the 18mm.
    Cooke Pancros cover 5k, even at 18mm.
    Master Primes will cover 5k at 2.4:1 Widescreen.

    All FULL FRAME stills glass.

    1) Leica R
    2) Zeiss ZE/ZF/CP2
    3) Zeiss Contax
    4) Canon L Series
    5) Canon FD
    6) Nikon G
    7) Nikon AIS
    8) Minolta Rokkor

    MEDIUM FORMAT lenses

    1) Hassleblad
    2) Mamiya
    3) Contax 645
    4) Pentacon Six lenses
    5) Leica S Medium format lenses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Keir View Post
    Did anyone start a thread on this subject yet?

    I know Zeiss Super Speeds will cover 5k.
    K35s will cover 5k.
    Zeiss Standard Speeds cover 5k except the 16mm.
    Super Baltars cover 5k.

    Glad to start a list if I can get some help. I can only go off of what people tell me and agree upon for now. I'm not a tech lens guy... yet.
    There is a big difference between covering and made to cover. You know what I mean?

    Just saying I've seen some lenses that were not intended to cover larger sensors/film sizes, but do in terms of at-a-glance. But if you look carefully, they fall apart quite horribly (in cinema lens terms) on the edges in terms of increased CA, distortion, and if you look closely, noticeable minor vignetting, like many photography lenses.

    Most people don't realize this, do tests to see, nor care. They just slap on a lens and see an image from corner to corner without major vignetting and announce it 5k ready or etc. Not true. That is my opinion however. So yeah, list a bunch of lenses that cover, but are we going to acknowledge how awful (and can we even quantify it easily?) the edges of our images are? Or if it 'covers', it works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Patrick O'Hara View Post
    There is a big difference between covering and made to cover. You know what I mean?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Patrick O'Hara View Post
    So yeah, list a bunch of lenses that cover, but are we going to acknowledge how awful (and can we even quantify it easily?) the edges of our images are? Or if it 'covers', it works?
    We should, what are your thoughts? Which sets "fall apart?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Patrick O'Hara View Post
    There is a big difference between covering and made to cover. You know what I mean?

    Just saying I've seen some lenses that were not intended to cover larger sensors/film sizes, but do in terms of at-a-glance. But if you look carefully, they fall apart quite horribly (in cinema lens terms) on the edges in terms of increased CA, distortion, and if you look closely, noticeable minor vignetting, like many photography lenses.

    Most people don't realize this, do tests to see, nor care. They just slap on a lens and see an image from corner to corner without major vignetting and announce it 5k ready or etc. Not true. That is my opinion however. So yeah, list a bunch of lenses that cover, but are we going to acknowledge how awful (and can we even quantify it easily?) the edges of our images are? Or if it 'covers', it works?
    Ryan you hit the nail on the head. Could not agree more.
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    I used to have a set of Zeiss Standards Mk2 T 2.1 . They were nice bit at the corners the wide angles were very soft. I used them on my Red 1 at the time, but when I purchased an Epic I sold them because for 5K their portholing (vignetting)(already on 4K) made them unusable for me. Especially the 24/28/32 had dramatic darkening in the corners. For general use not so bad but unusable for greenscreen or white limbo stuff. The corners not only darkened but also got a color shift.
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    Dragon sensor (15.8 X 30mm) required image circle of 33.906mm (diameter)

    FF senor 24mm x 36mm, Image circle of at least 43mm diameter (shouldn't be a problem to cover 6K)
    S35 sensor 24 X 18mm which covers only 31.1mm image circle
    (Most medium and long cine lenses will cover 6K, Only wide angle lenses will not cover, But Keep in mind some S35 lenses do have a wider image field)
    APS-C" sensor 15mm x 22.5mm (no go)
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    A reason why we are buying good FF 35mm glass. Leica R, Canon FD, K35 etc.
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    What about Master Primes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blackham View Post
    A reason why we are buying good FF 35mm glass. Leica R, Canon FD, K35 etc.
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    The wider Zeiss Standard's porthole at 4K wide open. The only 18mm Cooke lens that properly covers 5K is the Pancro. Most zooms have issues.
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    Take a good hard look at the 18mm Super Speed Mk3 at 5K Full Frame. May not be hard portholing, but there is noticeable vignetting/shading in the corners.
    5K 2:1? No problem
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