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    "The invention of being" is the first of a series of 3 short films dedicated to the creation, the life and the death of the universe. This first film is - by the use of different imagery techniques - is an artistic view of the firsts moments of space, time and matter.

    As you may well notice, the image quality is not the most important here. the atmosphere, the techniques are very diffrent for each shot and the quality may be subject of variation due to circumstances. every thing was shot.. as it is in reality. if someone is interested the two other films following this one, they are available on my Vimeo or facebook page. as they are not "shot on Red" i dont post them here.

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    Good work, Ivan. However, I'd say there's about as much chance as the universe creating itself than there was this video creating itself without a designer. It only goes to show there is an amazing creator behind it all :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Wiles View Post
    Good work, Ivan. However, I'd say there's about as much chance as the universe creating itself than there was this video creating itself without a designer. It only goes to show there is an amazing creator behind it all :)

    Thank you Jeremy...hmm not sure I agree about the designer in both cases...) the work here is in front of the camera not much behind. the expression invention "in-venire" here wants to describe this process by wich things are not created.. but rather just comme to light)

    thanks for watching and nice comment)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan friedman View Post
    Thank you Jeremy...hmm not sure I agree about the designer in both cases...) the work here is in front of the camera not much behind. the expression invention "in-venire" here wants to describe this process by wich things are not created.. but rather just comme to light)

    thanks for watching and nice comment)
    I'm not sure if I have enough faith to believe that things just magically "come to light" or invent themselves. The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Wiles View Post
    I'm not sure if I have enough faith to believe that things just magically "come to light" or invent themselves. The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.
    Great visuals ivan, reminiscent of tree of life a bit.

    Jeremy, not to take this too off topic, but there are many theories out there explaining how the universe came into being, and it's not from nothing, more so from 11 dimensional hyper space. Universes are being created destroyed all the time. There are many books you can read to brush up on the subject. Without having any background knowledge in these theories, it definitely sounds like ridiculous hogwash and a load of sci-fi crap. But the more and more I read about it, the more it starts to make sense and actually feasible. Of course, it's still all theoretical at this point.

    The other question I'm sure others have asked you is, who created the Creator? Surely such a powerful and perfect being must also have been designed by something even greater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhibo Lai View Post
    Great visuals ivan, reminiscent of tree of life a bit.

    Jeremy, not to take this too off topic, but there are many theories out there explaining how the universe came into being, and it's not from nothing, more so from 11 dimensional hyper space. Universes are being created destroyed all the time. There are many books you can read to brush up on the subject. Without having any background knowledge in these theories, it definitely sounds like ridiculous hogwash and a load of sci-fi crap. But the more and more I read about it, the more it starts to make sense and actually feasible. Of course, it's still all theoretical at this point.

    The other question I'm sure others have asked you is, who created the Creator? Surely such a powerful and perfect being must also have been designed by something even greater.
    Yes, I have been asked "who created the creator" question before. As a matter of fact, I've been asked many times because it's usually the first and major objection an atheist will put forward. You first need to understand the laws of thermodynamics, which says that everything is in decay. If you could sit and watch the roof on your house for the next 20 years, you'd have a fine grasp on the law of decay. Everything is winding down, breaking apart and coming to an end. The universe had a beginning; almost no one disputes that, because the laws of thermodynamics demand it: the universe is running down and it cannot have been running down forever, or it would have already run down. No stars would be still churning out energy and we would not be here.

    You proposed one universe giving birth to another, but again, there cannot be an infinite series of such births and deaths, as each cycle must have less energy available than the last and if this had been happening for eternity, the death of everything would have already happened. In short, the cause of the universe must have been non-material because if the cause was material / natural, it would be subject to the same laws of decay as the universe. That means it would have to have had a beginning itself and you have the same problem as cycles of births and deaths of universes. So the cause of the universe’s beginning must have been super-natural, i.e. non-material or spirit—a cause outside of space-matter-time. Such a cause would not be subject to the law of decay and so would not have a beginning. That is, the cause had to be eternal spirit. Hopefully, that answers your question.


    Where did the word "Universe" originate? "Uni" means “Single” and verse means “sentence”, or a single spoken sentence. And God said, “Let there be light.” God spoke the Universe into existence in a “single spoken sentence”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Wiles View Post
    I'm not sure if I have enough faith to believe that things just magically "come to light" or invent themselves. The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.
    Hi Jeremy, I just wanted to say I do appreciate the topic. In my opinion, these questions will fundamentally remain unsolved. Does that mean the questions are useless? I don't think so. Indeed, to try to sense the limitless by the limited brain, whatever its expression may be, may have another purpose: Maybe not that much in the answers we do give.. but rather maybe in the sense of vertigo that is left behind by the questions themselves.

    I personally think this vertigo is pure beauty. The same beauty that the scientist, the artist, the spiritual person have allays been seeking through their personal expression. I asked myself the same questions long time, and i personally get a lot of inspiration from the contemplation of that gigantic, cosmic black hole which - through time- sucked away all my answers one after the other :-), leaving behid just the void of a perfect mystery. I do not hate this lack of answers and my powerlessness facing the questions. because this makes me totally free to describe the mystery as I feel to do it.. hoping - and nothing more than hoping - this could speak in some way to other people too.
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    Reminded me of Tree of Life, which I really liked. Was a visually completely stunning movie, and felt more of an experience on the big screen. Second time I watched it in the theatre, I found the religious overtones towards the end a bit too explicit to my opinion, I liked it more when it was more (for a lack of a better word) spiritual without making the link with a Christian God (I'm atheist myself). The last 10 minutes of that movie were really bad, but what came before really hypnotized me.
    Enough of the off-topic.

    How did you get all the space imagery? What's the music piece?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathieu Ghekiere View Post
    Reminded me of Tree of Life, which I really liked. Was a visually completely stunning movie, and felt more of an experience on the big screen. Second time I watched it in the theatre, I found the religious overtones towards the end a bit too explicit to my opinion, I liked it more when it was more (for a lack of a better word) spiritual without making the link with a Christian God (I'm atheist myself). The last 10 minutes of that movie were really bad, but what came before really hypnotized me.
    Enough of the off-topic.

    How did you get all the space imagery? What's the music piece?

    Thanks,
    As I am crazy of space imagery, I also liked the tree of life very much. earlier than that I will spent hours looking at what is for me one of the greatest miracle of modern days... the photos from the Hubble telescope. but still was missing the movement.. the story of the objects and their transformation in time. surely.. films like the tree of life.. , melancholia and recently prometheus were showing the growing possibilities of the techniques. works that i have been looking for long time. in these short films I use very different techniques.. Mostly I try to find in nature what could suggest those cosmic landscapes. or to recreate the condition in which these events can happen. with a bit of inventivity.. its not difficult.. nature is already doing these amazing things all the time. in the other two films folowwing the first one you can see more of diffrent techniques that i used. if somebody is interested in working on bigger projects.. feel free to contact.. I have thousand of other ideas.
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