Subtlety

[Nick Morrison]

Errr perhaps because they know someone else is already working on it? Be interested to see what AJA come up with, for instance. I recently had a conversation at REDucation with Ted S. and an AJA guy... looking at a Ki Pro Mini... I remarked they should build basically the same thing but as a rear module, with various recording options... the response from the AJA guy was of the 'ummm watch this space...' variety ;-)

Mike

I think RED knows the deal, they ain't stupid.

This "Alexa is better cuz it records to Apple Pro Res" crap needs to end.

It's so misinformed it makes my ears bleed.

[Robino_J]

I think RED knows the deal, they ain't stupid.

Can't say the same about producers, not all of them obviously but..

[Brad Webb]

There used to be an argument about Fuji film stocks having better skin tones thank Kodak. Now it's Alexa vs EPIC. Bottom line is both formats look amazing, and it simply comes down to personal preference.

[Curt Pair]

Red just need to ship a ProRes module and the Epic's out there will get more work.

It's in the works Rory... trust me! It's awesome! I've heard about it from certain Red Engineers! It's going to record on two different types of media too!

[Nick Morrison]

There used to be an argument about Fuji film stocks having better skin tones thank Kodak. Now it's Alexa vs EPIC. Bottom line is both formats look amazing, and it simply comes down to personal preference.

Until Dragon...which will burn Alexa to dust.

[Mark Pugh]

It's in the works Rory... trust me! It's awesome! I've heard about it from certain Red Engineers! It's going to record on two different types of media too!

As long as it records at any frame rate that RAW can, this is the biggest news for RED since DSMC was announced.

[Marc Wielage]

It is an EPIC film yet the subtlety of the tonality and contrast and skin tones is filmic. We all know that the Epic can produce amazingly sharp colorful images than wow the eye. But now we have images that blow away the tonality of Alexa images.

With all due respect, I honestly believe this was a combination of great lighting, great exposure, and great color correction -- not just the camera. I think talent at the level of Ridley Scott and Dariusz Wolski are going to get fantastic results with any camera they use. And I think CO3 colorist Stephen Nakamura had a lot to do with it as well.

I've believed for a long time that we're getting to the point where the differences between camera choices is very much like the differences between film stocks. I would no more say, "wow, such-and-such a film looks so great because they shot with Vision 320" or "it looks great because of that Fuji 500." To me, that does a disservice to the work of the cinematographer, because they had the greatest effect on the image -- not the camera or the pickup. Strictly my opinion.

[Peter Lyons Collister, ASC]

Marc,

I totally agree with you. I guess I am a little hyper sensitive to the tonality/skin tone discussion vis-a-vis Alexa versus Epic since I have been forced to use Alexa on numerous jobs because the director believes in the "Alexa" look. I agree that in the end it is the production design, the Dp's lighting and the colorist that have the most to do with how a film looks.

In the past we as DPs were allowed to pick the camera, lenses and film stock UNLESS there was a financial reason for the studios. ( Often we would shoot Eastman as a camera stock and release prints would be Fuji. I would like to go back to being allowed to use the camera of my choice.

Peter

[Francesco Bonomo]

I've believed for a long time that we're getting to the point where the differences between camera choices is very much like the differences between film stocks. I would no more say, "wow, such-and-such a film looks so great because they shot with Vision 320" or "it looks great because of that Fuji 500." To me, that does a disservice to the work of the cinematographer, because they had the greatest effect on the image -- not the camera or the pickup. Strictly my opinion.

not strictly yours, Marc :-)
Actually, I personally believe the differences between different high end camera systems today are even smaller than those between different camera stocks...but that's me.

[roryhinds]

Didn't Red announce its in the works back in 2010?

We need it now not in another 2 years.