I'll be honest - Dragon disappoints me

[Christopher Probst]

For me, the Dragon upgrade is perfect. If the only thing it added was a larger sensor size, I would pass... I'm not using my Epic for stills and many lenses barely cover the MX at 5K as it is... However, the improvements in dynamic range, sensitivity and the smaller photosite size make it very attractive for me. For most aspect ratios, shooting the full 6K will be out of the question for the majority of cine lenses out there, and we'll have to test to see if even Master Primes will cover the larger imaging area. However, the smaller photosites now brings the 5K image within an image circle all lenses will cover, so that's excellent news. Even if there is some corner vignetting at 6K, I plan to use the 6K area as a look-around and buffer for stabilization while framing for 5K. So in that regard, the added resolution is very helpful indeed.

And I have already mentioned in previous threads about the huge advantages for anamorphic with the Dragon sensor at 6K. That ALONE would make the upgrade worth it. I loves me some anamorphic!

The only real problem I have is waiting for it! How about a few early beta testers! (hint, hint)...

[Brian Pascale]

Don't think the thread is pointless. Many have stated that, but clearly have read the whole post. I'm am going to wait until I am eligible for the upgrade and decide then if it makes sense for me. Sorry us Scarlet owners have ruined the rarified air of Reduser, I am sure it was a happier place before we arrived. For the record, I appreciate thoughtful, constructive debate and would guess Red does too.

[Rob Ruffo]

Brian, I appreciate your comment about the thread. But it's not to look down on Scarlet users - its' to say that there are few places where people with a lot of experience can talk about production, and this used to be one of them. There were always newbies, but they were a minority, not the dominant voice. Not all Scarlet users are young and inexperienced, but as a whole they are much less likely to work in mainstream professional production that many/most (of course, not all) Redusers from a few years back.

I was once a newbie, and there is nothing wrong with being one. Again, no diss here, but sometimes I want to learn from people who know more than me about my world, or at least as much but in different areas.

I spend a lot of time training younger people on and off set, often for no benefit to me other than trying to help. But I can't only be a teacher all the time, sometimes I want to be a student too, or an equal footing colleague.

This was a refuge to hear from and exchange with people more like me in their number of years of experience, or above mine, with a very high level of general education and sophistication. It was special. It was another home away from home.

It doesn't quite feel that way anymore.

[Rob Ruffo]

BTW, this whole thread seems kind of pointless to me, since Red has already stated that the new Dragon sensor will have remarkable upgrades in ISO and DR. What else do you want them to do?

If it were up to me I would want them to trade-off even MORE ISO and DR and skip the 6K, but I realize that is unlikely to happen.

If you think attempting to get feedback from other users about their wants is a waste of time then don't participate. You stated that 6K was important to you and your Imax-oriented work, so you got a chance to express your needs, and I and others got the same chance.

As per pointing out that "Rah Rah Red" is rampant here. It is, and it is often stated by others as a reason to discredit anyone with anything good to say about Red. It adds to the conversation in that we all should be encouraged to remain constructively critical and never drink any Kool-Aid regardless of who is serving it. On this topic, on any topic.

That said, your gruff/curt tone is duly noted.

I really think i should stop participating in this forum.

With some exception, many of you seem to not respond well at all to how I think and to be on a totally different wavelength, now more than ever.

I have a great life here in Montreal, time to stop procrastinating it.

For the most part, goodbye all.

I doubt I'll be missed.

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

If it were up to me I would want them to trade-off even MORE ISO and DR and skip the 6K, but I realize that is unlikely to happen.

If you think attempting to get feedback from other users about their wants is a waste of time then don't participate. You stated that 6K was important to you and your Imax-oriented work, so you got a chance to express your needs, and I and others got the same chance.

As per pointing out that "Rah Rah Red" is rampant here. It is, and it is often stated by others as a reason to discredit anyone with anything good to say about Red. It adds to the conversation in that we all should be encouraged to remain constructively critical and never drink any Kool-Aid regardless of who is serving it. On this topic, on any topic.

That said, your gruff/curt tone is duly noted.

I really think i should stop participating in this forum.

With some exception, many of you seem to not respond well at all to how I think and to be on a totally different wavelength, now more than ever.

I have a great life here in Montreal, time to stop procrastinating it.

For the most part, goodbye all.

I doubt I'll be missed.

I will miss you and share most of your opinions...

[Jaakko Rinne]

With some exception, many of you seem to not respond well at all to how I think and to be on a totally different wavelength, now more than ever.

I have a great life here in Montreal, time to stop procrastinating it.

For the most part, goodbye all.

I doubt I'll be missed.

Calling people ungrateful spoiled shits and whiny little bitches does tend to have the effect of putting them on a different wavelength. But even then, any professional voice that's gone from the forum will be sorely missed.

[Steve Gibby]

Hmm...Hatfields and McCoys now. Moderators, think its about time to wrap this one up?

[Stefano Ceccon]

Reading press releases, between less than a year, will be transmitted 4k
http://broadcastengineering.com/news...dards-ultraHD/

The italian RAI broadcasting signed for 2015, the purchase of monitors 8k.
Is being presented, the new codec h265 to transmit in 4K.
I was convinced that RED, presented 8k sensor.
How many of you, I take 4K, to deliver in HD = less noise, plus quality.........
In the future 8k to deliver 4k!!!?
this is just my thoughts
sorry my bad english

[Tom Lowe]

Closed.