Real camera tests...

[Matt Ryan]

Well I can tell you that a month generally isn't long enough for huge companies to respond. For example, I know for a fact that the only working FS700 in Europe, was booked out months ago for another shoot during that week. So yeah, I would say that this is short notice.

So the company who manufactures the camera has no access to it? Sure it might not be at many rental houses but you have to know they have them in hand...

[Richard_JP]

See, the thing is, you guys only look at this from one perspective. The big screen. But there are a plethora of reasons as to why many people don't feel any need to shoot 4k... because it's not often needed and creates problems later on. For example, I was working on a production last month that had super tight turn around times. We didn't want to shoot on the likes of the EX1 or similar, so we chose the Alexa. For us it was perfect, and meant that the turn around time was manageable. Something that wouldn't have been possible if we were shooting on RED. Obviously RED wants everything to be measured on resolution, as they will win. But for most people, 4k, 6k and whatever comes next isn't really important, as we aren't shooting for big screen. We are shooting for TV and the internet. I often wonder how many of you guys are actually shooting for the big screen...

[Richard_JP]

So the company who manufactures the camera has no access to it? Sure it might not be at many rental houses but you have to know they have them in hand...

Sony Europe only has one working pre production unit

[shashbugu]

See, the thing is, you guys only look at this from one perspective. The big screen. But there are a plethora of reasons as to why many people don't feel any need to shoot 4k... because it's not often needed and creates problems later on. For example, I was working on a production last month that had super tight turn around times. We didn't want to shoot on the likes of the EX1 or similar, so we chose the Alexa. For us it was perfect, and meant that the turn around time was manageable. Something that wouldn't have been possible if we were shooting on RED. Obviously RED wants everything to be measured on resolution, as they will win. But for most people, 4k, 6k and whatever comes next isn't really important, as we aren't shooting for big screen. We are shooting for TV and the internet. I often wonder how many of you guys are actually shooting for the big screen...

I have heard this argument over and over. The turn around time for a Red camera is the same as that of the Alexa. Straight to edit. Research please. Just because your preferred resolution is prores does not mean its faster turn around. Prores 4444 whether from Red or the Alexa is not the easiest playback codec, you still need a powerful computer with software running all cores. R3D has been straight to edit for at least the last 3 years. Now try Arri Raw, your turn around time will sloooooooooooooow down. Arri Raw is the absolute best resolution you can get out of the Alexa at a premium price. RedRaw is available out the box.

[Richard_JP]

I have heard this argument over and over. The turn around time for a Red camera is the same as that of the Alexa. Straight to edit. Research please. Just because your preferred resolution is prores does not mean its faster turn around. Prores 4444 whether from Red or the Alexa is not the easiest playback codec, you still need a powerful computer with software running all cores. R3D has been straight to edit for at least the last 3 years. Now try Arri Raw, your turn around time will sloooooooooooooow down. Arri Raw is the absolute best resolution you can get out of the Alexa at a premium price. RedRaw is available out the box.

Ah OK, maybe I'm not familiar enough with RED cameras then. My experience with RED has been MUCH slower post production times. So are you saying that you can record straight into ProRes with a RED camera?

[shashbugu]

Ah OK, maybe I'm not familiar enough with RED cameras then. My experience with RED has been MUCH slower post production times. So are you saying that you can record straight into ProRes with a RED camera?

Why would you want to? When you can edit the R3D's directly. Prores is an intermediate codec. is your delivery format 4444 L0g C?

[Richard_JP]

Why would you want to? When you can edit the R3D's directly. Prores is an intermediate codec. is your delivery format 4444 L0g C?

Fast turn around. That's my whole point. That's why the Alexa, in this case, was a clear winner.

So can you edit R3D's in Final Cut then?

[KETCH ROSSi]

He he, this is what I'm talking about Jim... And yeah the dust in the eyes and misconception out there is unreal, I'm happy you don't have to hear what I'm hearing here in Europe, it will make you roll over all night long, or those few hours you actually do spend in bed... ;)

Great idea, even so unfortunately I already know, this will not work out, in the sense the few if any companies will actually arrange for their representative camera and team to come to RERD STUDIOS, why? Well, isn't that OBVIOUS?!?

I love competition, but I would never got to race a FERRARI on with a FIAT 500, even if it is the new KICK A^%$# FIAT 500 ABARTH which really is a super fast little animal... Why? Well, because I am a sportsman, but I sure would not like to make a full of myself neither, if I don't have a comparable machine to race with I just wan't race, no matter how good of a driver I can be, if I don't got the horse power under my A^%$# it wan't cut it... ;)

[Brice Ansel]

Fast turn around. That's my whole point.
So can you edit R3D's in Final Cut then?

Hopefully today we have more choices than finalcut Pro to edit.
Best
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[Harcharan Singh]

EPIC is the best Digital Cinema Camera produced till now...period
Harcharan