Zacuto Great Camera Shootout - and free parking!

[Martin Stevens]

I saw an interesting test on the EPIC just last week.. It was called "Prometheus"

Told me everthing I needed to know.

Jay

+1 x 10000000000000000000000000000000.1

;)

[Rehan K]

I'm thinking if you *need* 4k projection to make a $40-50k camera be "definitively" better than a $600 one, than there are some serious problems (with the operator, the cinematographer, or the camera... can't be a problem with the scene, since all cams were shooting the same one). The whole "project in 4k" argument is definitely true, but understandably undermined a little because the cameras that are 4k-supersampled @ 2k should look vastly better, hands down, than a sub-1080p @ 2k camera like the hacked GH2 (not picking on RED here, as C300/F3/F65 all have 4k/8k sensors). Conversely, have the Alexa, C300, and F65 forums been detesting this "documentary/shootout" thing as much as reduser has? It seems like bitter-salty-tears in here.

yes, what's with all the whining? Every camera and operator was given equal opportunity. Someone mention "Promteheus" which was released in 2K, just like Zacuto documentary ...

[Rehan K]

ARRI Alexa: Looked great (My second choice for picture and 1st overall choice, given the fact that it produced the best picture with the least amount of relighting and the least amount of post production tweaking). In the end, the camera that allows you to get a great picture with the least amount of work (and the least amount of expensive color suite rental time!) is the winner for me. Great pictures at the right price point.

Alan

Actually, according to Zacuto documents,

http://www.zacuto.com/zvideo/RGCSO-T...ntation-V1.pdf

Alexa team took 30 minutes to relight the scene.

Sony F65 was the only team that didn't change anything to the lighting ...

[Tom Hamilton]

I saw an interesting test on the EPIC just last week.. It was called "Prometheus"

Can't really argue with that. If Ridley Scott says Epic is his preferred camera of choice, there really isn't much more that can be said.

In any event, horses for courses, if I-Phone fits your deliverables profile, then that is what you should use.

[António Fagundes]

This "test" was a crime... as expected.

Jim

What a whiner... you don't even know which one is your camera, and you're already discarding everyone's work and effort in the test. This shows that Red keeps on digging deeper and deeper into alienation with this embarrassing attitude. The typical American 'Mine is bigger than yours!' Please just leave it. Red is not the best camera, it never was and who knows if it will ever be. I love Epic, but I always get a hard time from people whenever I want to use it, with the typical comment, 'Red is best of the worst cameras'. And always end up shooting Alexa or Canon. And believe me, all because of this attitude, not the camera per say.

Although it was a very big mistake from Red to ever even sell the first Mysterium camera. Now we can all agree and be honest about the fact that it looked like crap, like a 4k bad video camera. But back then, Jim and other folks at Red were fighting everyone saying how good it was. Really? You guys lost a lot of cred there. Mysterium X saved Red, but the bad smell still sticks...

Also the Shootout has far too much sentimentality crap for my taste. And I'm also confused about this notion that 'its a test, but its not really a test...' so what is it, a documentary about a test that doesn't matter what the results are? Make up your minds, will you please?

[Nick Morrison]

What a whiner... you don't even know which one is your camera, and you're already discarding everyone's work and effort in the test. This shows that Red keeps on digging deeper and deeper into alienation with this embarrassing attitude. The typical American 'Mine is bigger than yours!' Please just leave it. Red is not the best camera, it never was and who knows if it will ever be. I love Epic, but I always get a hard time from people whenever I want to use it, with the typical comment, 'Red is best of the worst cameras'. And always end up shooting Alexa or Canon. And believe me, all because of this attitude, not the camera per say.

Although it was a very big mistake from Red to ever even sell the first Mysterium camera. Now we can all agree and be honest about the fact that it looked like crap, like a 4k bad video camera. But back then, Jim and other folks at Red were fighting everyone saying how good it was. Really? You guys lost a lot of cred there. Mysterium X saved Red, but the bad smell still sticks...

Also the Shootout has far too much sentimentality crap for my taste. And I'm also confused about this notion that 'its a test, but its not really a test...' so what is it, a documentary about a test that doesn't matter what the results are? Make up your minds, will you please?

Hmmm...I see things differently. Until RED, there was no serious digital Hollywood approach to film-making...at least not something that mere mortals could afford. RED changed that, forever.

Alexa, F65...these are all the step-children of what RED created. RED, pun intended, is the original PROMETHEUS.

You may not like their style, but you certainly seem to like the world they have created.

Me thinks, perhaps, you take them for granted.

[Tom Hamilton]

What a whiner...

Antonio, not really sure what you are saying here. I'll freely admit that the 'overhead', file sizes, post processes and so forth are somewhat cumbersome with Red, but the final results are huge. No doubt, you need accomplished post people to make that happen.

But, like a German cook of impressive girth and huge reputation, in a small family restaurant in Bavaria some years ago, as I was starvingly waiting for my Sauerbraten and Rostbratkartofflen, some fifty minutes into the wait, he said, 'Ach Was! Good Food takes time to cook!)

Have another Schnapps, it will all come good.

[Graeme Nattress]

"Although it was a very big mistake from Red to ever even sell the first Mysterium camera. Now we can all agree and be honest about the fact that it looked like crap, like a 4k bad video camera. But back then, Jim and other folks at Red were fighting everyone saying how good it was. Really? You guys lost a lot of cred there. Mysterium X saved Red, but the bad smell still sticks..." - don't be absolutely ludicrous. Go take a look back at those movies and TV shows shot on the original R1 - none of them looked as you described. Just because the M-X was an improvement doesn't mean the original was bad.

Graeme

[Nick Morrison]

"Although it was a very big mistake from Red to ever even sell the first Mysterium camera. Now we can all agree and be honest about the fact that it looked like crap, like a 4k bad video camera. But back then, Jim and other folks at Red were fighting everyone saying how good it was. Really? You guys lost a lot of cred there. Mysterium X saved Red, but the bad smell still sticks..." - don't be absolutely ludicrous. Go take a look back at those movies and TV shows shot on the original R1 - none of them looked as you described. Just because the M-X was an improvement doesn't mean the original was bad.

Graeme

Yeah seriously...when RED came out, what other alternative was there?

It was either an HVX or FILM....and then the R1 changed everything.

People love to re-write History.


RED hasn't even had a serious competitor for 5 years until the emergence of the Alexa.

[Taj Jackson]

The test was a crime... It was more like a DP shoot out rather than a camera shoot out. It's like having a guitar shoot out and inviting each top musician to play a different guitar.
And then after it's all over, saying this guitar sounds better based on the musicians abilities. Doesn't prove anything.