Will the new BlackMagic Camera affect 4K sales.

[Demetri Zuev]

It records full data for each frame as an uncompressed still frame.

Thanks, David.

So it appears that 1 second of footage shot at 24fps in CinemaDNG will turn out as 24 separate DNG files on your memory card/SSD.

Hmm...not the most convenient way to manage data.

[David Rasberry]

Thanks, David.

So it appears that 1 second of footage shot at 24fps in CinemaDNG will turn out as 24 separate DNG files on your memory card/SSD.

Hmm...not the most convenient way to manage data.

Yep. But each clip is defined as a separate file of still frames. Roughly 85MB/sec of data at 12 bit 2k 16:9 uncompressed. Redcode has some serious advantages if you want to work in high resolution raw data with more reasonable file sizes. Nobody else has anything like it.

[Mike P.]

I was under the impression that you could select between a mxf container and a folder of DNG files. Also the Digital Bolex uses their own software, presumably to process their CinemaDNG files. Not sure of the data rates or processing, which is kind of why I prefer the open format of CinemaDNG.

One thing I like about the DB, is 4:3 is perfect for old 2x anamorphic lenses (Lomos). Should prove to be a great way to maximize the sensor/resolution. I was hoping BMDCC would do the same (since their sensor is also 4:3 in shape and even larger than the DB's.)

[David Rasberry]

The Digital Bolex uses cinema DNG, TIFF, JPEG frame sequences. There are provisions in the DNG standard for TIFF, MXF, and JPEG file wrappers as well as DNG, but the video is still raw CIE pixel data.
There is nothing proprietary about the DBolex. All of its hardware except the body and lens mounts are off the shelf components and it records open standard formats that can be processed with standard off the shelf photo, NLE, and FX software. Perfect fit for Adobe CS6.
They will be providing their own custom debayer software, but the footage can be debayered in Lightroom, Photoshop, Aperture

[George Butterfield]

It's the Chinese fellows that are making the RAW camera that will be in trouble with sales.

The Chinese own the Moon. The Chinese will be doing quite nicely for the rest of our lifetimes.

[Sid Idris]

I was under the impression that you could select between a mxf container and a folder of DNG files. Also the Digital Bolex uses a proprietary format, not CinemaDNG. Not sure of the data rates or processing, which is kind of why I prefer the open format of CinemaDNG.

One thing I like about the DB, is 4:3 is perfect for old 2x anamorphic lenses (Lomos). Should prove to be a great way to maximize the sensor/resolution. I was hoping BMDCC would do the same (since their sensor is also 4:3 in shape and even larger than the DB's.)

http://www.digitalbolex.com/products/

Adobe Cinema DNG (RAW), TIFF, JPEG image sequences, at all resolutions

[Mike P.]

The Digital Bolex uses cinema DNG. There are provisions in the DNG standard for TIFF, MXF, and JPEG file wrappers as well as DNG, but the video is still raw CIE pixel data.

Touche... I misinterpreted a NAB interview, they meant proprietary processing software akin to RCX but for their footage.

[PETER ODIO]

The Chinese own the Moon. The Chinese will be doing quite nicely for the rest of our lifetimes.

No, I went to the Blackmagic open house yesterday in Burbank, and the camera is built in Australia.

[Peter Versey]

16mm film cameras were a huge market not just for top end amateurs, low budget pictures and TV but documentary and wildlife single shooters as well for good reason.
This was not just because of price but also the format, where the increased depth of field was an advantage in having a greater amount of usable material without necessarily a top focus puller.
The larger sensor Indie world is riddled with soft shots where the assistant's ability to follow the subject has been sacrificed to the search for bokeh.
Cinema has not always gone for shallow depth of field , Citizen Kane still looks good!
Being someone who has always worked with different rental cameras most suited to each job I personally was looking forward to buying a 2/3 inch Scarlet fixed lens at a great price for my own projects where I could shoot alone or with perhaps less experienced assistants. This was not to be but it looks like the Blackmagic camera might now fit the bill.
I suspect I am not alone and Jim may well have missed a trick in this arena.
After all we are not always shooting with 3D Epic rigs

[David Rasberry]

16mm film cameras were a huge market not just for top end amateurs, low budget pictures and TV but documentary and wildlife single shooters as well for good reason.
This was not just because of price but also the format, where the increased depth of field was an advantage in having a greater amount of usable material without necessarily a top focus puller.
The larger sensor Indie world is riddled with soft shots where the assistant's ability to follow the subject has been sacrificed to the search for bokeh.
Cinema has not always gone for shallow depth of field , Citizen Kane still looks good!
Being someone who has always worked with different rental cameras most suited to each job I personally was looking forward to buying a 2/3 inch Scarlet fixed lens at a great price for my own projects where I could shoot alone or with perhaps less experienced assistants. This was not to be but it looks like the Blackmagic camera might now fit the bill.
I suspect I am not alone and Jim may well have missed a trick in this arena.

I am very much with you on the 16mm sized formats. Still my personal favorite for solo shooting and general purpose production. You might want to consider the Digital Bolex to. It is a more minimalist approach, only shooting raw, tiff and jpeg frame sequences at least to begin with. But it has a much better ergonomic form factor IMO and some nifty features of its own. It is a true 16mm/S16mm format for one. S16mm glass will cover the 2k frame and 16mm lenses will cover the 1080p frame. Kodak CCD global shutter sensor, so no rolling shutter issues. Interchangeable lens mounts, including a classic 3 lens C-mount turret being developed for it. They are taking more of a modular approach, with add on modules for color HDSDI out coming later.