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    Went to see it yesterday evening.

    A bit of background: I'm normally not a big fan of 3D. Hated Piranha, Alice, Tron and even Avatar, which so many people liked.
    I did very much like Despicable Me in 3D, but that's animation.

    One movie opened my eyes a bit, though: Hugo.
    I really loved that movie in 3D. It really added a lot of depth to the images without feeling tacky.

    So i was sceptic to go see Titanic 3D. I love that movie on the big screen, it made a huge impact on me as a kid, and it still does. It's one of the movies where I think the difference between small screen vs big screen is VERY large. The impact of seeing that big ship, the crane shots going over it when it's sinking, ... You really have that feeling of scale on the big screen.

    I was actually searching where I could see it in 2D, but there aren't many places in Belgium showing it in 3D. Because I heard about the 4K cleanup, and not being a fan of 3D and being skeptic about the whole post-conversion process...
    But yesterday, my curiosity got me, and I went to see it.

    In short: I really was amazed. This was Hugo-quality for me, not Alice-quality.
    It's so difficult to image that this is a post-conversion.

    My biggest fears weren't a problem in the theatre where I went to see it: color and clearness. Both were outstanding in the cinema I went to (Kinepolis Ghent) so I was very relieved that I wasn't seeing a dull image.

    And the 3D conversion left me pretty speechless at times.
    Up front, people expecting the ship to go into the theatre or water splashing in your face can go home. There's pretty much none of that in the movie.
    But they DID add (what felt like) real depth to almost every shot in the movie. Spacing out people in the foreground and the background. It works in the underwater-shots, it works in the dining-shots, it works in a lot of places.
    It's subtle, but I found it to be very much noticeable.

    There are 3 or 4 shots where I found the 3D didn't work well. Biggest one being the steady-cam shot where Jack runs to get on board of the Titanic on time. The movement works against you in 3D. But that's honestly the only shot I remember.
    Cameron shot Titanic pretty classic way, not too fast in cuts, and not a big shakiness. It definitely helped.
    Having only 3 or 4 shots that didn't work well, on a 3hour+ movie isn't a bad result.

    If I have to have 2 other complaints, it's that in some shots in the beginning, it looked like they were more in a play, or on a stage. I felt it was a bit because of the spacing of the actors and the background.
    And another complaint is that although I did not have any problem watching the 3 hours with glasses on, AFTER the movie I definitely noticed that it had put more strain on my eyes then seeing a 2D movie.

    But I really was amazed. The texture, the depth to the rooms and spaces...
    I still have such a hard time believing that this movie looks better then most movies shot in 3D...

    Ow, and I saw the trailer of The Hobbit and Prometheus in 3D for the first time, both Epic :-)
    Both looked very good!
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    For 18 Million Dollar conversion done in over one year time, with JC you could expect this type of results, glad you like it, now we know that even Post 3D can be done, it just takes a S^%$# load of money and time... ;)
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    Post conversion work must be as bad as working at Foxconn. Can you imagine having to do one frame at a time? $18mil cost conversion will probably equate to $180 mil in ticket sales. Not bad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lougher View Post
    Post conversion work must be as bad as working at Foxconn. Can you imagine having to do one frame at a time?
    They typically use a building full of about 1500 overseas animators working on various scenes. You might have upwards of 50 people at a time working on a single shot. Given that they spent a year doing it (plus another year planning it), the technicians basically had to complete about 3 minutes of material per week, which is doable, provided you have multiple shifts and a large budget. This is very much like a big visual effects or animation project, which also takes about this long, even at a basic level.

    What's astonishing to me is that nobody thought to save the original 1997 VFX files, and the 3D people had to work with the finished movie. I was blown away when I heard that. One key to the quality of the 3D conversion was that Cameron knew exactly what he wanted and was able to make concise decisions very quickly. Also, since the film itself was finished, the 3D conversion people didn't have to fight with the editorial team over whether the picture was locked. Previous 3D conversion projects have suffered because of last-minute changes, forcing them to throw away completed work and also to rush through work on new, unexpected scenes. Having the luxury of time makes a huge difference in picture quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wielage View Post
    What's astonishing to me is that nobody thought to save the original 1997 VFX files
    That's not quite right. Everybody had thought about it and everybody wished they could do it. But in 1997, the cost of one terabyte of storage was one million dollars, and everybody thought that Titanic would be the biggest money-loser in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tsimperopoulos View Post
    That's not quite right. Everybody had thought about it and everybody wished they could do it. But in 1997, the cost of one terabyte of storage was one million dollars, and everybody thought that Titanic would be the biggest money-loser in history.
    Not quite right either. On terabyte was around $100,000 at that time.
    Source: http://www.mkomo.com/cost-per-gigabyte
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    And now only 50 dollars... My god. Computer evolution.
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    lol well at least the next gen have learned something
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    Unbelievable quotes from these people... I'm sitting here pissing myself laughing.... Can't stop.. I've got tears!!
    I think i just found there mum and dads in this YOUTUBE link..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBtyG2OJvw


    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Starkey View Post
    lol well at least the next gen have learned something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Toia View Post
    Unbelievable quotes from these people... I'm sitting here pissing myself laughing.... Can't stop.. I've got tears!!
    I think i just found there mum and dads in this YOUTUBE link..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBtyG2OJvw
    lol oh man i shouldn't laugh the answers around here would probably be worse :)
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