To Cinema5D if he is listening...
My advice:
Compare 5D mkIII raw photo and Scarlet 4k raw R3D next time! On real live events & charts.
And take optics with less CA and softness.
Nice try... ;-)
Pat
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03-24-2012, 02:07 PM
To Cinema5D if he is listening...
My advice:
Compare 5D mkIII raw photo and Scarlet 4k raw R3D next time! On real live events & charts.
And take optics with less CA and softness.
Nice try... ;-)
Pat
03-24-2012, 02:18 PM
The only reason for blowing up the 1080p-2k downscale to 400% is to show that the deliverables (Scarlet 2k downscaled to 1080p vs. 5Dmk3 at "1080p") look about the same. Which makes sense, since anything more than 1080p is NOT in the average household and not realistically available via streaming (yet). Granted, 4k downscaled to 1080p would presumably look much better (which is why it wasn't included)...
I get REDuser being defensive when things like this come up, but you have to look at it for what it is: trying to encourage 5D users by saying they get somewhat comparable results (to varying degrees) with the only camera they can afford (in this case, the 5Dmk3.) There's no point getting bent out of shape over it. Obligatory car analogy: If someone claims on the road their civic and your ferrari go the same max speed, it's technically true (going past the speed limit is illegal, right?) You wouldn't get pissed off, you'd smile/laugh at the irony (but still love the fact that you have a ferrari.) Currently the speed limit is 1080p, and more often than not, compressed 1080p, so the results can be comparable... of course you'd have to ignore 13+ stops, HDRx, and r3d RAW, but ignorance is bliss.
The real reason people should be upset is why this is even posted here... You wouldn't go to an Alexa forum/page to look up RED information, right?
Last edited by Mike P.; 03-24-2012 at 02:42 PM.
03-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Thanx Mike! ;-)
03-24-2012, 02:26 PM
It's the only way for them, I guess.Originally Posted by Sascha Rossier
03-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Want to be fair(or at least close to), scale scarlet 4k footage down to 1080, and compare to 5DmkIII's 1080(tv comparison). Then take a center 1080 crop of a 4k scarlet file and render out from redcine-x pro, and compare to a 400% blow up of the 5dmkIII to simulate a 4k viewing experience in 1080(Big screen simulated comparison...not exactly scientific as I'm not sure it's right). Oh and apply post sharpening and noise reduction to the scarlet footage as it's not done in the camera for a relatively fair comparison, though there really isn't one as these are very different beasts.
...so on further thought not quite sure if this is fair or an apt comparison, any corrections are welcome!
03-24-2012, 02:39 PM
HA... I didn't mean anything personal, Sascha... But I'm sure you knew posting this would only rile people up, right?
03-24-2012, 02:44 PM
I have a scarlet and a 5dmark III, totally different animals, no doubt scarlet is better.
03-24-2012, 02:52 PM
This thread is freaking out my dumb shit-o-meter.
03-24-2012, 02:56 PM
The problem is not about explaining the limitation of 1080. But how the test was conducted and what it's trying to say : "in 1080 world there is no difference between 5DmkIII and Scarlet".
Wich is not true. Not only speaking about what you can achieve with more DR, RAW treatment of colors, and other goodies like oversampling... Where the test is not good, is that you can't tell the difference because the first limitation factor is the optic used, and the sensor cropping... and that is not fair.
It's like saying : in a world of blind people, there is no difference between 1080 and SD... the assessment is true but is it the truth?
Pat
03-24-2012, 03:18 PM
No problem at all ... I just picked this up on the web and thought exactly the same thing that you lined out so nicely, Mike:wanted to share a smile ;-)) Since this is the place where the ferrari owners meet ;-)
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