Where does Red Rocket help?

[Andy Roberts]

I hate to ask a newbie question, but where in the workflow does Red Rocket really help?

If I'm working in Premiere with a CUDA graphics card, what is Red Rocket adding and what is the CUDA card doing?

Does having a lightening fast computer make the Rocket less mandatory?

And what effect does it have if I'm only viewing footage on my computer screen and not to an SDI monitor?

I know this is basic, so feel free to point me to where something like this has been answered elsewhere.

It would be great to see some sort of performance chart or something.

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[Fred Beahm]

Rocket helps with transcodes for offline editing. If you're working in premiere then this is no concern to you. However, if you want to do one-lights on set having a Rocket hooked up to a color calibrated monitor like a Flanders Scientific via SDI will give you great monitoring and you'll be able to play back in real-time. A Rocket really depends on your workflow. More and more people are switching to premiere so that can edit natively. It also depends what you're doing after picture-lock, if you're grading in Resolve or whatever. I hope some of this helped.

[Andy Roberts]

Fred, Thanks a ton for the reply.

I don't anticipate doing on set monitoring.
I only plan on using Premiere. For grading, I'll probably just use Speed Grade once it become part of CS6 Production Premium (if indeed it does).

So I might not need the Rocket if that is my workflow?

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[Paul Sage]

The Redrocket takes over the workload of de-bayering. So instead of your computers CPU doing it, along with multiple other things at the same time, the redrocket does it. So your playback performance will increase and you wont be limited to 1/4 debayer settings for realtime playback.

[Fred Beahm]

THAT ^ is only in RCX. Premiere doesn't utilize the RR, I believe. I wish RED would make an SDK or have the RR be open-source so more software could leverage it's amazing power. I also can't wait for some kind of Thunderbolt integration with the mag readers...

Andy, I think that your CUDA card and Premiere will be just fine for you.

What are you mostly shooting? 4k? 5k?

What are you delivering? 1080p? 2k?

[D Fuller]

THAT ^ is only in RCX. Premiere doesn't utilize the RR, I believe. I wish RED would make an SDK or have the RR be open-source so more software could leverage it's amazing power. I also can't wait for some kind of Thunderbolt integration with the mag readers...

Andy, I think that your CUDA card and Premiere will be just fine for you.

What are you mostly shooting? 4k? 5k?

What are you delivering? 1080p? 2k?

This is not correct. Both Premiere and After Effects can make use of the Red Rocket. So can Avid and Resolve.
CUDA does not help with the debayer process. In the absence of Red Rocket, that falls to your CPU.

[Will Keir]

On a new Mac Pro with RR, can you edit full rez in premier?

This is not correct. Both Premiere and After Effects can make use of the Red Rocket. So can Avid and Resolve.
CUDA does not help with the debayer process. In the absence of Red Rocket, that falls to your CPU.

[Johnny Friday]

On a new Mac Pro with RR, can you edit full rez in premier?

Will, this all depends on what you mean by EDIT....just pure cuts? Like Blair, i'm asking WTF? I've got a RR card, Quadro 4000; 32gb Ram and can't do anything in Realtime on my 2009 mac pro.....1/2 rez to a point....as long as i let it buffer....so take that for what it's worth...but on RCX i can do it in FULL REZ---I ask WHY? what is NOT working in Premier or what is not optimized as of TODAY. Sure feels like something is screwed up somewhere.

Edit:...add some effects to your Raw clips and boom....i can't even get 1/4 rez playback....

[Sami Sinervä]

Will, this all depends on what you mean by EDIT....just pure cuts? Like Blair, i'm asking WTF? I've got a RR card, Quadro 4000; 32gb Ram and can't do anything in Realtime on my 2009 mac pro.....1/2 rez to a point....as long as i let it buffer....so take that for what it's worth...but on RCX i can do it in FULL REZ---I ask WHY? what is NOT working in Premier or what is not optimized as of TODAY. Sure feels like something is screwed up somewhere.

Edit:...add some effects to your Raw clips and boom....i can't even get 1/4 rez playback....

Depending on the effects you add (not all support GPU/CUDA rendering), all the work is done in the CPU (or GPU). When the CPU has to do all the work with 5K footage I believe it doesn't matter if you have the Rocket (it just speeds up debayering/decompressing). And that's some heavy work for the CPU to do.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

The Red Rocket can decompress, debayer and provide monitor output. In order to drive 1080 monitors it presumably must have the ability to scale the image as well.

What I don't know, and would love to get the scoop on, is to what degree you can select which processes the RR handles. I ask, because I shoot a lot of 5K FF on my Epic which is too much data for real time playback on a single Rocket. If I were only asking the RR to do the decompression, then using CPU/GPU resources for debayering, scaling and monitoring, would the RR be able to decompress 5K FF and hand it off to the bus in real time?

Cheers - #19