That's true with most movies but it is irrelevant. The list I posted is of films that have 4K DIs, regardless of whatever else applies.Originally Posted by Bruce Allen
Thread: 2012: The Year of 4K
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02-10-2012, 11:21 AM
That's true with most movies but it is irrelevant. The list I posted is of films that have 4K DIs, regardless of whatever else applies.
02-10-2012, 11:45 AM
So if the VFX house delivered at 2K and they blew it up to 4K in the DI and printed to film, you count that as a "4K movie" ??
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
02-10-2012, 12:24 PM
That's just the way things work with VFX Bruce. It's the technology vs time and cost of product game. Would I prefer 4K VFX? Sure. Do I or most people who watch movies give a shit if they did it at 2K and plopped it in a 4K DI? No, not really. Most VFX shots aren't Transformers-type stuff requiring significant graphic detail so it doesn't really matter as long as it looks good enough to watch and doesn't pull you out of the movie watching experience by being a serious distraction.
02-10-2012, 12:39 PM
If you're saying that dropping down to upscaled 2K for the VFX shots isn't a distraction... Why the hell am I paying for a 4K movie and not just upscaling my BluRay?
If the "4K movie" brand wants to be credible... VFX shots need to be significantly sharper than on Blu Ray.
Nearly 1000 VFX shots in Social Network were done at 2K.
I already have the Blu-Ray.
If you're trying to sell me a 4K version and the movie gets soft every time we have the twins in the shot... I'm going to ask for my money back!
And if there is no difference between the 4K and 2K shots across the whole film... I'm also going to ask for my money back!
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
02-10-2012, 12:47 PM
Like I said Bruce, it is what it is. Until technology, manpower, and hardware costs align to bring rapid turnaround of quality high-resolution VFX work, you have no choice but to accept it or tell Hollywood to outsource everything to India and Asia, where they can do 4K or higher VFX quickly, for less money with their setups.
02-14-2012, 05:10 AM
Thanks a lit for this. Which ones are fall Red, or where Red was the primary camera?
02-14-2012, 05:22 AM
Maybe the cheap option, is where there has been an upgrade in the production workflow software from 2k to 4k, and particularly if it is automated render, is to rerun it through the software from 4k footage input to 4k output, for each program, to end up with the same files/names in 4k for each orogram. down stream. If any footage or effects are in 2k, upscale them (even through something like the old Intel upscaling platform that will restore some higher resolution detail then the resolution shot in, used to be 100 hours of processing per frame neatly ten years ago). If anybody wants all native 4k, they can pay for the conversion of a special 4k print. If the work flow software is not set up to do this all ready, then why not! It will be crucial to have this for 4k and 8k dragon footage :)
To be real, if you have a most all 4k old film, with a little upscaled 2k, it does not matter so much,
02-14-2012, 08:29 AM
The vast majority of the listed titles were shot on film. I'm not sure that they all went through a 4K DI process, though. And pictures like Spider Man 2 were about 75% or more VFX shots - all done at 2K.
02-14-2012, 06:42 PM
Benjamin Buttons (Great looking movie BTW) was shot on the Viper, a 2K/1080P camera, so no going back to the negative there for 4K.
Mike, Spiderman 2 (Or maybe 3) was one of the first films to actually do the VFX at 4K, it's the movie that convinced most producers to stick to 2K
02-14-2012, 08:13 PM
It was film, Sony 1080p, and Viper 2K. Info I pulled straight from WB MPI (who did the DI) for the list says they did the DI at 4K but that might be an error on their part though I couldn't find anything to confirm what resolution the DI was done at despite common sense suggesting 2K given the use of digital video for most of the movie.
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