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    Hello everyone. I'm looking for a volunteer to give me some advice regarding the business side of cinematography and shooting projects for clients. I have less than ten questions and they have to do with things like billing structure when charging clients, billing rates, possible liability, etc. Basically, the business side rather than the creative side of shooting.

    So, any volunteers?
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    fire away. freelance DP since 1992.
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    I am also very interested in this, 20 year old in waco here! I'll definitely try and come up with a few.
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    More than happy to help, 8 years in field as a DP.

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    Shane, I noticed that you did (DP'd?) the music Video 'Back down south' by the Kings of Leon ... I remember watching it since I'm a fan of the music ... I just wanted to say great job with the filming!
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    Here comes a start...

    1 Define the length of the shoot, and what happens if the client needs extra days. I would always try to build in a cushion.

    2 Find out if this is national or international distribution, ie. how important is what you are shooting for this client.

    3 Is this for specific media or will they wanna include all media known or yet to be invented? Might wanna try to be involved in financial participation, particularly if you may be shooting some of this on spec.

    4 If you do a buyout, make your fee larger, much larger. And by fee I mean you day rate.

    5 Try to write in to a contract that you will be the one to either color or supervise the coloring session, you are afterall the person who is creating the mood or look of the film.

    6 Stipulate that you get to bring trusted co-workers with you. A good 1st ac etc.

    6 Let them know that an estimate can change due to changes in costs for expendables and also whatever added items they may want lateron, like different gels, filters etc.

    7 I would always at this stage try to license your material for a certain period of time, particularly now with the hybrid mode of Scarlet/Film ... 6 years, 10 years, define a period for renewal of the license/work.

    8 Spell out deliverables, or rather get them to spell out deliverables and edit it. # of setups, cast, hours per day, locations, what exactly you will be handing over to the client at the end of the shoot.

    9 Additional agreement for frame-grab turned into a poster for the film, either a license, or purchase agreement.

    10 Invoicing, I do half up front and half day of last of principle photography, others do it differently.

    11 Make sure they have a media budget, if not, you can store it but it should cost them.

    12 If you buy Red Rocket, that should also cost the client extra.

    13 Get advice (like you are doing now) from other cinematographers. Find out who is kosher and who is not.

    14 Find out about the clients previous work and people they have worked with

    15 Be prepared to write a late-notice of payment invoice.

    16 Travel Fee and per-diem should be spelled out.

    17 Weather delay fee, unless it's an act of God "force majure" the client should still pay you your fee.

    18 Storyboards, if they want you to do pre-visualization that is something you can charge for as well, or ad it as a bundle...

    This is just to get you started. Ask if anything else comes to mind.

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    Thanks everyone. =)

    @ Paul
    You answered about eight of my ten questions in your post. You also informed me about a few things I hadn't had thought about. Thank you. :)
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    Ask away.

    The questions you pose on other threads are valid and important. I wish more young people asked similar questions when stating out too !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremiah Patton View Post
    Shane, I noticed that you did (DP'd?) the music Video 'Back down south' by the Kings of Leon ... I remember watching it since I'm a fan of the music ... I just wanted to say great job with the filming!
    Thanks Jeremiah, it was a fun shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Iannone View Post
    Thanks everyone. =)

    @ Paul
    You answered about eight of my ten questions in your post. You also informed me about a few things I hadn't had thought about. Thank you. :)
    My pleasure.

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