MacPro w/ AMD 5870 1GB DDR5 vs. RedRocket

[Chris Gavrilovic]

You see ... you still don't get it.

You didn't know what workflow meant. You didn't look it up and you didn't ask. Instead you told us your projected show length.

That's how everyone reading knows you were trying to BS everyone here.

Like "your team of editors." (Those are the disbelieving quotes, not the literal quotes)

I don't know any facilities that have moved to FCP X. FCP X is particularly bad for team editing environments. Every facility I know that regularly uses editorial teams also uses Avid, so I'd be interested in hearing more about this team. If your team of editors is using FCP X, you should probably share that with Apple - you are probably the only ones.

I'm kidding ... I'm really just calling you on your BS again.

One more thing ... your RedUser profile is the 6th hit for you on Google with just 20 posts here. How do you want to be regarded here?

I can think of very few things I care less about then how I am regarded in an online forum. It's a little sad you have to bring that up in the first place. I have seen your resume, it's not terribly impressive. Since you're clearly not an all-star I can safely tell you that just because you haven't heard of facilities moving to FCP-X, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It has; it did. By the way, the only person I have a problem with here is you. My misuse of the word "workflow" was tantamount to me saying GB instead of TB. I of course, meant timeline. This however doesn't need justification; mistakes happen. Also "That's how everyone reading knows you were trying to BS..." Let's say that I was BSing people, how is that even pertinent to my initial question of "Do I need a RedRocket?" Even if I was a pathological liar, the question merits no structure of a lie. Please, if you're going to call someone out, at least make it valid. Mistypes are no reason to be called a liar.

[Alexander Ibrahim]

I can think of very few things I care less about then how I am regarded in an online forum. It's a little sad you have to bring that up in the first place. I have seen your resume, it's not terribly impressive. Since you're clearly not an all-star I can safely tell you that just because you haven't heard of facilities moving to FCP-X, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It has; it did. By the way, the only person I have a problem with here is you. My misuse of the word "workflow" was tantamount to me saying GB instead of TB. I of course, meant timeline. This however doesn't need justification; mistakes happen. Also "That's how everyone reading knows you were trying to BS..." Let's say that I was BSing people, how is that even pertinent to my initial question of "Do I need a RedRocket?" Even if I was a pathological liar, the question merits no structure of a lie. Please, if you're going to call someone out, at least make it valid. Mistypes are no reason to be called a liar.

You know what ... you don't care about internet reputation. That's cool. Just saying ... people hire from here. I know I've been hired from this forum several times, and usually for better quality work than the usual non-union sources.

You're right, I'm not an "all star." Frankly I probably never will be, and that's actually cool with me. It's not like Roger Deakins is on here telling you what for right? So I have no clue what I'm about. Cool.

I like your credit list by the way, it has the merit of being even shorter than mine.

I was out of line. Cool. I apologize. Its an internet forum people can be too cranky, sardonic, sarcaustic (sic) and whatever humor there is doesn't translate. Maybe I've been a complete asshole. If so I apologize for that.

This whole argument is so not worth anyone's time especially mine, and I suppose I started it, which I regret.

I'll try and leave you with advice:

If you are committed to FCP X, then in the short term you will need a Rocket to be efficient in pre-processing with RedCineX Pro.

I would advise you to make low grade proxies for offline editorial, then export to Resolve and conform and grade from the R3D's directly. You can render out in target mode if needed.

I can't say with certainty what FCP X's future will be ... if they directly support Red R3D, the technology is there for FCP X to equal or exceed Premiere Pro's performance without a Red Rocket.

I think you should consider renting or buying a Rocket based on the outlook for six month returns. I've no clue what a Rocket rents for in Richmond - or if you can even rent one there. I know there are some good rental houses there, but I don't do enough business in Richmond to really give you advice about locals.

[Chris Gavrilovic]

You know what ... you don't care about internet reputation. That's cool. Just saying ... people hire from here. I know I've been hired from this forum several times, and usually for better quality work than the usual non-union sources.

You're right, I'm not an "all star." Frankly I probably never will be, and that's actually cool with me. It's not like Roger Deakins is on here telling you what for right? So I have no clue what I'm about. Cool.

I like your credit list by the way, it has the merit of being even shorter than mine.

I was out of line. Cool. I apologize. Its an internet forum people can be too cranky, sardonic, sarcaustic (sic) and whatever humor there is doesn't translate. Maybe I've been a complete asshole. If so I apologize for that.

This whole argument is so not worth anyone's time especially mine, and I suppose I started it, which I regret.

I'll try and leave you with advice:

If you are committed to FCP X, then in the short term you will need a Rocket to be efficient in pre-processing with RedCineX Pro.

I would advise you to make low grade proxies for offline editorial, then export to Resolve and conform and grade from the R3D's directly. You can render out in target mode if needed.

I can't say with certainty what FCP X's future will be ... if they directly support Red R3D, the technology is there for FCP X to equal or exceed Premiere Pro's performance without a Red Rocket.

I think you should consider renting or buying a Rocket based on the outlook for six month returns. I've no clue what a Rocket rents for in Richmond - or if you can even rent one there. I know there are some good rental houses there, but I don't do enough business in Richmond to really give you advice about locals.

I apologize as well then; sincerely. That being said, I appreciate your input. I have no problem buying a Rocket, but I didn't really know if it was a necessity or luxury. We have a few macpros so obviously dishing out 5 grand let alone 5 grand per card is something I want to make sure is worth the money - if we even need it at all. Also I have zero experience with RED, RED Format, RED editing, etc. so I really have no idea what I even need to get this first run going.

[Eric Cameron]

A RED Rocket is for one thing: accelerated transcodes from R3D (the files that come of the camera) to your choice of video or image sequence to use in your preferred editing/compositing system. You can do the same thing (take R3D's and make quicktimes etc.) without one, but it will take a LOT longer. Using a Rocket, you can transcode RED One footage with a full quality debayer in better than real time. Epic footage transcodes slightly slower than realtime with a Rocket (I typically see ~22-23 FPS). If you were to do a transcode with the same quality setting (full debayer) WITHOUT a Rocket, you would see DRASTICALLY slower speeds. So its basically a trade off between time/money/quality. A good Mac Pro can do lower quality transcodes pretty quickly. And if you have the time to just let a few computers crank away and arent in a rush to get your editorial media, you may not need a rocket. But if you end up doing a lot of work with Red footage where you need to create the transcodes, it tends to start looking like a good investment. YMMV.

[A. Bastaki]

guys.. behave. You wont lose anything by being polite.

[Chris Gavrilovic]

A RED Rocket is for one thing: accelerated transcodes from R3D (the files that come of the camera) to your choice of video or image sequence to use in your preferred editing/compositing system. You can do the same thing (take R3D's and make quicktimes etc.) without one, but it will take a LOT longer. Using a Rocket, you can transcode RED One footage with a full quality debayer in better than real time. Epic footage transcodes slightly slower than realtime with a Rocket (I typically see ~22-23 FPS). If you were to do a transcode with the same quality setting (full debayer) WITHOUT a Rocket, you would see DRASTICALLY slower speeds. So its basically a trade off between time/money/quality. A good Mac Pro can do lower quality transcodes pretty quickly. And if you have the time to just let a few computers crank away and arent in a rush to get your editorial media, you may not need a rocket. But if you end up doing a lot of work with Red footage where you need to create the transcodes, it tends to start looking like a good investment. YMMV.

Is it possible to share the processing of R3D files among several computers with the RedCineX software?

[Alexander Ibrahim]

Is it possible to share the processing of R3D files among several computers with the RedCineX software?

No.

Its best to manually split the work among several machines if needed. I usually do so by shooting unit, then by camera, then by reel.

[Will Keir]

damn guys, grow the f*** up

[Jon Jones]

LOL, this is like a daytime drama, someone got their period...

[Adam Pitchie]

This is a professional forum. No flaming. If you want to argue it out, do it in a DM or by email.