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    Posts like these ARE dangerous, because they are uninformed emotions dressed as something rational or quantitative. The analysis is nonsense.

    The arch of civilization, from barter economy thru to modern capitalism is one of SPECIALIZATION brought thru efficiency. Human civilization is founded upon pooling of intellectual capital, matched to labor and capital.
    You couldn't have better misrepresented my post if you had deliberately tried.

    The challenge in our evolving global economy is one of employment. Efficiency creates opportunities to a point but the question is who benefits from those gains in efficiency. Unskilled labor will be replaced by automation and robotics, and it's inevitable. Your Gap, McDonalds and assembly line work is going to vanish. If you have $10m you can put that into robotic slave labor or people. Those robots will be made by other robots which will be created from robotically mined ore. Prices plummet. But there'll be less need for human input except in R&D. This is a *good thing*. It frees us for creative and human friendly enterprises that make us happy like music and film but we're previously unaffordable. The dystopian outcome though is that capital consolidates in a few and we slip into a two caste system. I don't think that'll happen but I do think we should start the seeds of that future today by rethinking how we reward innovation and intellectual property in a post scarcity economy where most of our goods are digital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin Greenwalt View Post
    You couldn't have better misrepresented my post if you had deliberately tried.

    The challenge in our evolving global economy is one of employment. Efficiency creates opportunities to a point but the question is who benefits from those gains in efficiency. Unskilled labor will be replaced by automation and robotics, and it's inevitable. Your Gap, McDonalds and assembly line work is going to vanish. If you have $10m you can put that into robotic slave labor or people. Those robots will be made by other robots which will be created from robotically mined ore. Prices plummet. But there'll be less need for human input except in R&D. This is a *good thing*. It frees us for creative and human friendly enterprises that make us happy like music and film but we're previously unaffordable. The dystopian outcome though is that capital consolidates in a few and we slip into a two caste system. I don't think that'll happen but I do think we should start the seeds of that future today by rethinking how we reward innovation and intellectual property in a post scarcity economy where most of our goods are digital.
    Gavin I think a lot of your posts on the whole are very funny; interesting that you would get into a tangle with Jim over a “productivity metric”.

    You have to see this link, absolutely laugh your arses off, but at the same time provoke much thought.

    Contemporary reports of computers and its impact on American Society in the 1960s.

    This is mind blowing... considering the topic.

    Enjoy!!!!

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    Robots aren't the question... who is running them and where is. Life moves forward at a breakneck pace. Where things are made matters. Every company also needs accounting, legal, support, etc. Businesses put people to work in a number of ways. If everything is made outside the country, it won't be long before brands are built where stuff is made. You can already see brands springing up in China.

    Japan began building stuff for American companies (brands)... then quickly started building brands themselves before taking over the world of business as it related to electronics. Companies that manufacture in Asia are inadvertently helping them get started.

    We are empowering China to build the future. It doesn't have to be so. If companies don't get back to inventing, engineering and producing in the US, we are likely to become solely a service and distribution country... which is OK if that is all we aspire to be. But it certainly would disappoint me.

    Americans have a history of being brave, ingenious and entrepreneurial. We traditionally set big goals (remember the lunar program?). I hope that spirit stays alive.

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    "Everything in life changes... including our camera specs and delivery dates..."

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    I'm sorry if I started all this soapboxing. My intent was to say that with the fall of the US Dollar against foreign currency, building everything overseas is not the deal it used to be five or ten years back. And we could really use some manufacturing work here in the U.S.
    Thanks for putting up with us and our rants, Mr. J.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    Robots aren't the question... who is running them and where is. Life moves forward at a breakneck pace. Where things are made matters. Every company also needs accounting, legal, support, etc. Businesses put people to work in a number of ways. If everything is made outside the country, it won't be long before brands are built where stuff is made. You can already see brands springing up in China.

    Japan began building stuff for American companies (brands)... then quickly started building brands themselves before taking over the world of business as it related to electronics. Companies that manufacture in Asia are inadvertently helping them get started.

    We are empowering China to build the future. It doesn't have to be so. If companies don't get back to inventing, engineering and producing in the US, we are likely to become solely a service and distribution country... which is OK if that is all we aspire to be. But it certainly would disappoint me.

    Americans have a history of being brave, ingenious and entrepreneurial. We traditionally set big goals (remember the lunar program?). I hope that spirit stays alive.

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    Robots aren't the question... who is running them and where is. Life moves forward at a breakneck pace. Where things are made matters. Every company also needs accounting, legal, support, etc. Businesses put people to work in a number of ways. If everything is made outside the country, it won't be long before brands are built where stuff is made. You can already see brands springing up in China.

    Japan began building stuff for American companies (brands)... then quickly started building brands themselves before taking over the world of business as it related to electronics. Companies that manufacture in Asia are inadvertently helping them get started.

    We are empowering China to build the future. It doesn't have to be so. If companies don't get back to inventing, engineering and producing in the US, we are likely to become solely a service and distribution country... which is OK if that is all we aspire to be. But it certainly would disappoint me.

    Americans have a history of being brave, ingenious and entrepreneurial. We traditionally set big goals (remember the lunar program?). I hope that spirit stays alive.

    Jim
    This type of attitude and envision of AMERICA was what let me to leave behind every one I knew and loved, when I adventure to the USA in 1989, arriving at Manhattan, NY, with
    only $100 exact, in my pocket after paying the taxi that left me in front of an Italian Pizzeria to get some dinner.

    I felt that in AMERICA ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE, just needed a DREAM, and I sure did had one...

    Wish AMERICA wil continue to be a place of Inspiration for Dreamers as my self, and be a place were those dreams can still be realized, I again applaud your efforts!!
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    I don't really understand how we are discussing if bringing business to the US is a good idea. What's the alternative?
    Automation kills jobs, we know that for decades know. That is a totally different matter. Let's get back to the fact that RED has decided to make its brand pure "made in USA". And they are proud. I can understand that! Unfortunately that is an exception in the business-world today.

    An example: BMW is required to start a pure Chinese car brand because of Chinese regulations, thus sharing their knowledge. Is that clever in the long run? I think not!
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    @ jim


    You're right. You are talking about the American dream happening in America again. That's good because there are a lot of important values attached to that dream. I'm not talking about how America seems to the world, but how it really is and that is that Americans believe in their country, their abilities and that the American dream of owning a home, working hard and being rewarded with a good life in a safe place, educating and feeding you children is possible for all.

    That is a spirit that breeds innovation and success, but it takes leadership and believing again.

    The whole idea of America is still the thing that can help the world evolve. Canada is like this too to an extend but with more of a social attitude about it all.

    Go big America, the world needs that now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    Robots aren't the question... who is running them and where is. Life moves forward at a breakneck pace. Where things are made matters. Every company also needs accounting, legal, support, etc. Businesses put people to work in a number of ways. If everything is made outside the country, it won't be long before brands are built where stuff is made. You can already see brands springing up in China.

    Japan began building stuff for American companies (brands)... then quickly started building brands themselves before taking over the world of business as it related to electronics. Companies that manufacture in Asia are inadvertently helping them get started.

    We are empowering China to build the future. It doesn't have to be so. If companies don't get back to inventing, engineering and producing in the US, we are likely to become solely a service and distribution country... which is OK if that is all we aspire to be. But it certainly would disappoint me.

    Americans have a history of being brave, ingenious and entrepreneurial. We traditionally set big goals (remember the lunar program?). I hope that spirit stays alive.

    Jim

    The man said it…

    It’s unbelievable what a good listener Jim Jannard really is and he seems to understand (very well) what appeals to an individual or an entire "market segment" (sorry to use those words).





    That’s one of the things that I love about REDUSer is that one may start from one fairly clear premise, and then 120 posts later you find that your mind has been completely changed, 180 degrees. This is why I hang out and to learn and to have my mind changed by people that are really thinking, looking ahead and DOING!

    As Jim simply puts it we need to take back the “brand” “brand USA”, not piss it away. Now I see this more clearly. It makes me feel VERY good about what we are doing…(and brings clarity).

    Brand USA, (not knocked off, and made in China); but the real article. Leave the Chinese to do what they are good at...

    I have to admit I have always found the prevalence of the service industry in the USA (for the past twenty years) rather disturbing/”creepy” I’m glad it’s not just me.

    Wow.

    [India seems like the ultimate middle man in the future (I don't know if this good or not, but for one thing they are definitely not standing still!)]

    Big Cheers,

    Eric
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    Robots aren't the question... who is running them and where is. Life moves forward at a breakneck pace. Where things are made matters. Every company also needs accounting, legal, support, etc. Businesses put people to work in a number of ways. If everything is made outside the country, it won't be long before brands are built where stuff is made. You can already see brands springing up in China.

    Japan began building stuff for American companies (brands)... then quickly started building brands themselves before taking over the world of business as it related to electronics. Companies that manufacture in Asia are inadvertently helping them get started.

    We are empowering China to build the future. It doesn't have to be so. If companies don't get back to inventing, engineering and producing in the US, we are likely to become solely a service and distribution country... which is OK if that is all we aspire to be. But it certainly would disappoint me.

    Americans have a history of being brave, ingenious and entrepreneurial. We traditionally set big goals (remember the lunar program?). I hope that spirit stays alive.

    Jim
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