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    The way I see it, it is not so much about Jim having clarified his point of view, we all signed the ageement, and as Jarred stated, it is the particularity of Red, it is about "family". Some people don't like the way Red does business, that's because they're not part of the family and they don't get it. Some people are part of the family, those are the ones Red has offered this amazing deal to, because Red felt they stood by them in the begining, against all the nay sayers. They made proof of patience and leniency as Red grew, learned and delivered. When Red announced, a new camera, I was sad for my R1. When Red announced the deals, I was grateful but torn as to which one take, then stage 2 became an evidence because I didn't want to part with my R1. My R1 is what I used to invest in my company, I made a contract with my company, that if we were ever to part, the R1 comes back to me and I can leave with it. Red offered us a deal because they new some people were attached, like they were, to their R1. People deciding to take advantage of Red's offer, being able to KEEP their R1, yet get an incredible deal on an Epic, and deciding to sell their R1, to make money, are breaking the deal, and most importantly, and quite understandably in my opinion, breaking the heart of people at Red. That is the particulalrity of Red, it goes beyond just business, that's what irritates some, and I understand that also, because that's not how they're used to doing business, but it's like their cameras (and raw), it's new and different, difficult to get your head arround it in the begining, but once you do, it makes sense. I love being part of the family. Thank you Red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Morten View Post
    Seems like there's two ways for Red to play this: either it's actually about attitude, in which case Red has complete discretion in who does/does not fall in the "bad" category, or it's about the following the exact language or term number three, in which case anyone who has actually transferred ownership has to wait for a full-price Epic-X.

    Personally, I think it would be unfortunate for folks like Mark, who are unquestionably genuine Red supporters, to get penalized. I can understand wanting to punish someone who actually lied about transfer, and yes Mark made a mistake, but there's a meaningful difference between the two.

    Is this about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law? The former runs the risk of penalizing good people, the latter runs the risk of feeling arbitrary. This whole thing feels like dangerous territory...

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    I read the original offers and made my decision based on what the offers were. Because of my financial situation, and the fact that you must keep your RED ONE until after receiving your Epic-X, I chose stage III. If you could sell your RED ONE in advance, I would have chosen stage 2. There are many people who fall in this boat, I presume.
     

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    Market is market. It stands to reason that when a new model comes out the previous one is worth less. But if the old model does 90% of what the new one does, it won't be worth that much less. The Epic is a $30k camera - more with all the necessary kit. If you can buy a Red One for half that and do 90% of what the Epic can do, it is a great deal for some. Someone said there are nearly 10,000 R1 around. They aren't going to get dumped overnight.

    Anyway, it's surely in the company's interests to expand the market, not replace it. All those R1s will gradually be upgraded or replaced, but not all at once; and even when they can only do 50% of what the latest ones can do they will still have a role in schools and training.

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    Even I retired from the motion picture industry, my 1740 MX is sitting on my shelves along with arii 16sr, cinema products 16. I'll never sell those. I'll take to my grave yard with me :) The epic will be traveling with me all over the world my retirement year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    The KEEP part of the #1 rule for Stage 2 is very important. You will find out soon why.

    We have heard there are some people that are taking advantage of a great deal offered in good faith... that falls under " bad attitude ".

    Hopefully this message will turn out to be good news for most people and bad news for only a few.

    Red One 1265, we are still together and having fun and making beautiful shots every day! Epic-X Stage 2 package was the best deal there is! Can't wait to get this camera in my hands and shoot side by side with my MX.

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    I'm on the opposite side of the fence, wanted to buy a Red One but didn't have the money (just got out of school yo). And yet I was kicking myself when the stages came out because in reality you could of gotten 2 amazing cameras (Red One & Epic-X) so that would fit easily into the A & B Camera set-up. Then I started to see all these "Red One" offers where people were trying to offload their Stage-2 Red Ones. When I saw that I though "that would be a nice way to afford a Red" but at the same time I was thinking "but wait, thats not right, you have to keep the camera."

    I totally agree with Red on this one, they made the rules for the incredible offers. You picked your stage and should live with the decision you made.

    At this point now that people getting the Epic-X can legitimately sell there Red Ones, if I see a price I like I'll jump for it, otherwise I'll wait for the Scarlet which I'm hoping is only around the corner.
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    I really feel like many people need to re-read this post from Jarred. If you still have your R1 and haven't partaken in any loophole shenanigans or broken condition #3, you're free to sell your R1 once you take delivery of the Stage 2 Epic-X. The folks at RED will decide how to deal with the others however they see fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    This is really simple guys.

    The Stage program was a program created to take care of our family... you guys are not just customers to us.. we really look at you as our brothers and sisters.

    It was ( at least we think ) an incredible gesture to show how much we value that relationship.

    To find people trying to go around the system by doing sketchy lease to own and $1 sales to get around the rather simple terms is just plain wrong. It not only breaks our obligation to provide whatever stage you signed up for.. but it also breaks our hearts. It's really that personal.

    We have watched this go on for awhile.. Jim has posted that it upset him.. but people continue to do it.

    For all of you guys here that have posted that you have kept your camera and have stated various states of affection for your R1... We will never forget. We love you guys. For those of you like Andrew that have kept your camera and plan to sell it afterwards for various reasons... you are good in our books. But those of you that have sold off your camera and somehow think that a loophole makes everything o.k... Re-read Jim's signature.
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    I had discussion with another RedUser's about this case on 02-02-2011...
    http://reduser.net/forum/showthread....cuted-RED-ONEs
    Half year ago ...
    And now we see the result .
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    This practice is not in the same spirit as the deal we offered and I don't like it.

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