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    Seen the crazies go nuts in the past when other companies got rid of dongles. Lots of unfounded fears that everyone will suddenly be facing tons of competition from the kid down the street that copies the software from dad's work or whatever. Fears that a small production boutique with two seats of Software-X will suddenly have 20 seats of the same software and will magically hire enough competent people to use it, while charging lower rates. The latter isn't going to happen and the kid down the street who swaps torrents with everyone he knows, already has more professional software on his gaming rig than most of us even know exists. In the world of warez (pirated software), having the latest and greatest expensive software, especially having it first, is a huge status symbol. Knowing anything about what it does or how to use it, is not required. The software is all about bragging rights and bargaining chips. In the end, what most of the kids are after these days are music, mobile apps, porn and console/PC games -- and usually in that order.

    The majority of software out there now does not use dongles. I would say that of the apps using dongles in 2001, of the ones that still exist, less than half of those still use dongles today. It's a good trend, but a slow and gradual progression. I have a lot more "expensive" apps on my workstations now than I did back then, but also the software is a lot cheaper as a whole. And rarely more than 3 or 4 dongles per system. 12 years ago, it wasn't uncommon to have a chain of 5 or 6 parallel-port dongles, in addition to 2 or 3 USB keys, just for my plugins that my other dongle-protected software used. It was insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike 'Fireman' Ross View Post
    Putting my geek hat on... with 15 years+ in the IT business...

    I would NEVER use a program than needed a dongle. Period.

    For exactly the reasons stated.

    I know of very serious businesses that relied on and absolutely had to use dongle-protected software. What they did was, they bought the software, they put all the dongles in the safe, and they would ONLY ever run 'cracked' pirate versions of the software in production.

    They were geek enough to be confident with the cracked software. I wouldn't be surprised if this was done with the very tacit and unofficial support of the software account rep, to make the sale.

    Using dongles is dumb. Telling a registered paying customer that a lost dongle can't be replaced is cretinous. I swear I will never buy Resolve or any associated products - that's obviously what they want, with that attitude.

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    MIke thats just how i feel.......no support at all from BMD, it's such a shame, ii was about to invest quite heavily in training and kit from them and related to their products.
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    Hi Robert and everyone else here on the forum...

    Guys i really cant see what everyone is complaining about? If you are running a business and have proper insurance, then make a claim and buy another license.

    Losing a dongle is the same as loosing a piece of hardware in their eyes..
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    Similar dongle story. Purchased Glue tools, that actually went from keys to dongle security scheme(?) and had a long conversation with the owner/ developer about difficulties getting the physical dongle into Ukraine, where I had a company at the time. He assured me, that there will be no problem and he even issued me a temp. 3 months license. Long story short, 3 months later, no dongle, no record of delivery, I get accused of trying to scam the developer, he kindly asks me to stop by his NAB booth for face to face, so it would be more convenient for him to punch me out:-) At the end I got half of the purchase price refunded and no software...
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    Jake,

    That sucks...! Thanks God they do not use dongle for GlueTools - CineonDPX version...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Horwell View Post
    MIke thats just how i feel.......no support at all from BMD, it's such a shame, ii was about to invest quite heavily in training and kit from them and related to their products.
    You have purchased a licence to use the product, and losing the dongle doesn't change that... So I don't see a problem with using certain methods to remove the copy protection...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Horwell View Post
    MIke thats just how i feel.......no support at all from BMD, it's such a shame, ii was about to invest quite heavily in training and kit from them and related to their products.
    I heard from someone who has dealt with BMD that perhaps you just haven't reached the right person. The tech support/sales drones can't help you, but if you can manage to escalate to someone with authority you might have better luck.

    It's a stupid situation, and BMD has brought it upon themselves by using copy protection from the 1980's. If they want to do business that way, the least they can do is make things right when required.
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    I worked for a VERY large audio post facility some years ago - the whole place ran on ProTools. One day, someone just decided to jack $50K+ of iLoks from the locker. Poor physical security was to blame in the end and some interns took the heat. The real thief was never identified but the hit was tremendous. I don't chance it with my own software. It's hard enough to keep my HARDWARE safe from theft & damage!

    1 - Buy it
    2 - Put the dongle somewhere safe.
    3 - Take advantage of the "Warez Scene" kids (Don't get mixed up, remember step 1 - even if it feels soooo good)
    4 - Run pirate version
    5 - Don't worry about insurance claims or downtime and get some sleep at night

    I have years of updates and licenses loaded onto my own iLok. It just sits in a box at home now and I'm happy as a clam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Romano View Post
    I worked for a VERY large audio post facility some years ago - the whole place ran on ProTools. One day, someone just decided to jack $50K+ of iLoks from the locker. Poor physical security was to blame in the end and some interns took the heat. The real thief was never identified but the hit was tremendous.
    iLok actually has insurance plans available -- but it'd be a major ordeal if it was dozens of iLoks and $50K in plug-ins.

    I suspect DaVinci would find a way to get you back up in running if (say) the dongle got damaged in transport, or stolen, or whatever. I'm actually not aware of what the $150,000 DaVinci Linux systems are tied to, whether it's one specific processor, or a specific serial number, or what. I can say that even old DaVinci 2K software/hardware was tied to a specific mainframe, so you couldn't steal a board from one machine and stick it into another machine. From a business point of view, I understand it, but from a user point of view, it was sometimes inconvenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jake blackstone View Post
    Similar dongle story. Purchased Glue tools, that actually went from keys to dongle security scheme(?) and had a long conversation with the owner/ developer about difficulties getting the physical dongle into Ukraine, where I had a company at the time. He assured me, that there will be no problem and he even issued me a temp. 3 months license. Long story short, 3 months later, no dongle, no record of delivery, I get accused of trying to scam the developer, he kindly asks me to stop by his NAB booth for face to face, so it would be more convenient for him to punch me out:-) At the end I got half of the purchase price refunded and no software...
    Oh boy ! Exactly same story.....but i push him tho, there's no way that he could get away with it. It was a pretty long argument where kept saying the dongle should be at our facilities already and we are trying to cheat him. Oh man....i think thats why at the end, he removed dongle protection

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