"numerically honest 4k", Sony backhanded slap at Red

[Erich Ocean]

I will say this, I do not see any practical advantage to the Sony F65 vs. the Red Epic. Think about that: Sony's latest and great "4K" camera competes head to head with RED's latest, shipping "4K" camera and it's a wash. That's just huge. That's why I've had $5K sittings in RED's bank account for coming up on a year now, and am willing today (please call, RED!) to spend the $58K to have an Epic-M shipped my way. The Epic lives up to its name.

[Rohan B]

Okay, looks like "David Gray" jumped the gun a little. The only 65mm-sized sensor out there suitable for motion picture use is the Phantom 65. Would have been cool though if Sony had a sensor too (and I can't wait for RED to ship their 645 sized sensor).

Yeah maybe,it after all looks like it is a s35mm camera with a still little bit smaller sensor than that red epic has...
well its a concern actually,it would have been more logical for them to also increase their sensor size from 35 to 65mm as their name from f35 to f65. Housing twice the amount of pixels at that sensor size would be difficult and could lead to loss in dynamic range and latitude,i mean what would be the size of each pixel,2.7 micron?? that is what it seams........
well lets just wait and watch,hey by the way does anyone has a link to the f65 footage shown at NAB....

[Kalani Prince]

but he's not nearly as happy as Ted ; )

[Rohan B]

but he's not nearly as happy as Ted ; )

he he he,verry good observation..........

[M Most]

I will say this, I do not see any practical advantage to the Sony F65 vs. the Red Epic. Think about that: Sony's latest and great "4K" camera competes head to head with RED's latest, shipping "4K" camera and it's a wash. That's just huge. That's why I've had $5K sittings in RED's bank account for coming up on a year now, and am willing today (please call, RED!) to spend the $58K to have an Epic-M shipped my way. The Epic lives up to its name.

Perhaps in your own application there are no advantages. However, the F65 is being designed as a Live 4K camera, capable of delivering real time 4k images, something the Epic is not, at least in its present incarnation. The Sony is also being designed to record directly to its proposed 1TB Sr Memory module, in multiple formats, and that card can be plugged directly into it's proposed SR replacement decks. Sony and Red are serving different markets and different purposes, albeit with some overlap at times. But just because you don't see those advantages for your own work doesn't mean they're not there for other types of work.

[Erich Ocean]

Perhaps in your own application there are no advantages.

My bad, I had intended to qualify that to the narrow realm of "image quality". I too find the camera significant in other respects, but it does not appear to record better images at 4K today.

[M Most]

My bad, I had intended to qualify that to the narrow realm of "image quality". I too find the camera significant in other respects, but it does not appear to record better images at 4K today.

It doesn't record anything today because it's not available, and won't be for some time ;-D..

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

The F65 promises "numerically accurate, numerically honest 4k" and the rep is blatantly trying to take a shot at Red in this introduction of the Sony F65.

But... but... I thought we had been told many times that no-one NEEDS 4k...?

Mike

[Ralph B.]

So they're still about 10 months away? Hmmm....

I'm sure this is going to be a great camera but by the time it will be released RED DRAGON will be upon us (as well as all the software, color science, etc etc improvements RED just spits out over time). Currently and for some time RED has been making some great images that I suspect will stand up just fine to the F65. And then there is that flexibility thing that allows you to do so much with the RED cameras. To all the "numerically accurate numerically honest" talk I'd say LETS SEE THE TESTS!!!!

P.S. I love the comment "this camera doesn't try to reinvent the wheel" You guys can fill in your own translation, but I laughed when I heard that. :)

[Rohan B]

But... but... I thought we had been told many times that no-one NEEDS 4k...?

Mike

Well they are all programmed to say that "You don't really need 4k, 2k/1080p hd is enough",until the time that they themselves come up with a 4k camera and start calling themselves the first company with their "true" 4k camera, which red has been having for "4" years now.............. world is verrry funny