"numerically honest 4k", Sony backhanded slap at Red

[Joe G.]

The F65 promises "numerically accurate, numerically honest 4k" and the rep is blatantly trying to take a shot at Red in this introduction of the Sony F65.

He also alludes to "dynamic range" as well as the "cost thing" but he gives no specifics on either. Any data on either out there?

[Imran Farouk]

Isn't EPIC "numerically accurate, numerically honest 4k" , realize its 5K but I mean it can do full 4K... or are they taking a shot at the RED One?

[Rohan B]

Well, red epic gives you measurably more resolution than this,epic gives around 4.4k keeping in mind the current debayering pattern,lens and of course compression,if this,as far as i heard,giver uncompressed 4k,red epic also has mathematically lossless compression at 2.5:1 and a resolution of 4.4k minimum if not more....... this camera is actually a 65mm sensor with a resolution of 8k that shoots at 8k then internally downscales and gives you a true measurably full 4k output.

[Erich Ocean]

this camera is actually a 65mm sensor

Citation please? It's my understanding that it has an s35mm sensor size.

[Rohan B]

Citation please? It's my understanding that it has an s35mm sensor size.

really ??

[Rohan B]

Citation please? It's my understanding that it has an s35mm sensor size.

well yeah i double checked,it seems so,but yeah there's no direct mentioning on the sensor size.......

[Pawel Achtel]

...this camera is actually a 65mm sensor....

Where did you hear this?

[mike ogden]

This is what I hate about the whole Red 'thing' and this forum in general. Why do you rise to it? It's childish. I'm sure the Sony will be a great camera if someone wants to use it just as the Red and the Alexa are viable colours in our palette.

:rollseyes:

[Rohan B]

This is what I hate about the whole Red 'thing' and this forum in general. Why do you rise to it? It's childish. I'm sure the Sony will be a great camera if someone wants to use it just as the Red and the Alexa are viable colours in our palette.

:rollseyes:

Well i am sure f65 would be a great camera,after all its good that we have so many options red epic,arri alexa and now sony f65,this will keep moving up the bar for good,all the companies will develop their techs to great extents. But yes all this is happening because of red,if red did'nt came into existence in 2008 i dont think digital cinema as a whole would have evolved so quickly, now i am seriously waiting for the "DRAGON"..........

[Wayne Morellini]

now i am seriously waiting for the "DRAGON"..........

I suppose I am too, the smaller scarlet is getting too dated. Apple has also proven to be a let down for me as well, small shd screens have been available for years and of use to a number of professions, like digital photography, design, publishing, can even be useful future proofing for consumer shd over the 3-10 year life of the system with nearly 3 and 4k consumer cameras coming out this year, and not even the latest imac series have one. Now it looks like the resolution revision, major formst revidion, touch screen and even 3d is coming next year. So, for the vast majority of low end budget users (below eng network tv work and studio work) this year is not the best year for it).

And then there are the cheap digital cinema cameras, which the scarlet announcement probably nearly destroyed with the early release date and consumer post hd cameras. The low end is virtually lost, not least because of just time. You notice that red has withdrawn from the low end market a few years ago, the time to strike was a few years ago, now commodity post fhd - shd cameras are coming out (due to the extensive time they have been able to do 4k cheaply). 4k is needed to just keep up with consumer, the next stop is 8k, but if they thought 4k was hard then 8k is going to be worse the industry does not have an adequate focusing solution for it, apart from infinite depth of feild fixed focus lens and auto focus (I do for my camera designs).

If only they had listened to people that knew the time line, they could have released a interim lowend 2 or 4k camera while working on and waiting for the scarlet range but some people think their smarter than others with a proven track record of estimating these things.

On the main subject here, good on sony, but is it going to be cheap compared to an engineering camera, or a imax camera? Yes 8k bins well to 4k (well the greens at least) and debayers well (panasonic now use this to produce 2k fhd in its top 4/3rds camera). I think i talked about doing this years ago. A 8k fixed Scarlet Dragonwith 4k motion and 8k stills is more ideal and we shoukd petition for it, with a 4k video and stills base model.