SSD run times

[roryhinds]

Let's nip this one now... no slower SSDs in the foreseeable future.

Jim

Hey Jim

How about a EPIC module which was 2 x slower SSD's stripped together RAID0 to achieve the speed needed and offer larger capacities at lower cost.

256GB SSD = 40 min and 20 min of HDRx

I can see many situations where a larger capacity will be needed and that could even be 2.5" Spinning drives like the old RED Drives but in EPIC modular form.

If SSD's were cheaper and larger then this wouldn't matter but the reality is they are not and who knows when the price/capacity will move.

Cheers
Rory

[Martin Stevens]

Yes... but why do you want it?

Technically it is 2.5:1 but there is absolutely no difference between that and 3:1. None. We started at 3:1 to save people from themselves...

Jim

Actually, I was just asking because I was trying to explain to a
film friend why there is no need to shoot UNCOMPRESSED with the EPIC.

[Harry Clark]

Hi Jim...
Thanks so much for posting. Lots of good information in this thread.
And thank you for NOT selling "seconds". I already have to deal with bidding jobs against "rental houses" with substandard support gear and having to explain why my quote is higher (when all my gear is top-notch Arri, O'Connor, etc.) Giving these folks lousy media on the cheap furthers the race to the bottom.
Mike Most, I agree with your earlier post about TV deliverables fully. Thanks for bringing up those valuable points.
Cheers,
Harry

[Jannard]

Actually, I was just asking because I was trying to explain to a
film friend why there is no need to shoot UNCOMPRESSED with the EPIC.

Have him do tests... he will end up shooting 5:1 or 6:1. Trust me.

There are a ton of myths floating around out there... like the RED ONE overheats. :-)

We have tested this stuff until we are sore. Uncompressed is like gold plating... gold.

Jim

[Steve Sherrick]

Have him do tests... he will end up shooting 5:1 or 6:1. Trust me.

There are a ton of myths floating around out there... like the RED ONE overheats. :-) We have tested this stuff until we are sore. Uncompressed is like gold plating... gold.

Jim

I think it depends on everyone's perception of uncompressed and what that really means. I think in the RED world, you guys have nailed down what you and many you have shown believe to be the perfect combination of quality and data rate. But in other sectors of the industry, there are times when an uncompressed image may be the better option and that might be where some of the preconceived notions come from. They may be trying to apply their other experiences to RED. Hence why it's a good decision to test, as you suggested. They will probably be surprised at the results.

[Jannard]

I think it depends on everyone's perception of uncompressed and what that really means. I think in the RED world, you guys have nailed down what you and many you have shown believe to be the perfect combination of quality and data rate. But in other sectors of the industry, there are times when an uncompressed image may be the better option and that might be where some of the preconceived notions come from. They may be trying to apply their other experiences to RED. Hence why it's a good decision to test, as you suggested. They will probably be surprised at the results.

Uncompressed may in fact be better if you are recording RGB... but with REDCODE it is a waste of time, data and money.

[Steve Sherrick]

Uncompressed may in fact be better if you are recording RGB... but with REDCODE it is a waste of time, data and money.

Exactly, but there are still a few souls out there who will not understand that. And you know what, that's okay. Because I think the images from Epic are going to speak for themselves. Those people will catch up eventually. :-)

[Jannard]

It is funny to me that the same guys that think TSN and Pirates look so good (shot at REDCODE 7.5:1) also think that shooting uncompressed in necessary.

I hope the industry will come around to reasonable thinking once they find out that Spiderman is being shot at 5:1. I don't know of one of the announced "biggies" that will shoot 3:1.

Jim

[Martin Weiss]

I'm really not big on two grades of SSD but will consider it. It is a marketing nightmare.

Thanks for considering.

It would be like with the Arri SR, where you have (had?) standard magazines for normal productions, and then you'd get high speed mags for, well the high speed stuff.

Should really be part of the job of a DP/operator/AC/DIT/rentalhouse to know about media and advise the client. Just as a stills photographer needs to know about the advantages of using 40x media vs. 600x media.

Maybe media could be named according to the min. compression at 5k/FF, ie 128g/3:1 for high speed and 128g/12:1 for slow speed.

Would also pave the way for future, higher speed media.

Heck, make the slow media pink as an additional turn off ;)

Having slower media at a cheaper price would allow longer run times for documentary/concert footage (or being able to shoot at 5k rather than a lower resolution). And that in turn would mean getting better images from R1 for lower budget productions.

Naturally, every owner should have at least one "high speed" 64gig for those special moments, and rental places should only have high speed.


EDIT: Sorry, wrote it before I saw that you'd already decided against it.

[Gunleik Groven]

Actually the whole uncompressed vs compressed thingy should have gone away as of build 30. Many of the weirdities we saw had nothing to do with compression.

That's a somewhat hard sell for those who did their tests and made up their mind around build 12 under Tungsten, but with a new cam on the fly and all the heavy iron acceptance, I think it's about time to let the last stubborn ones alone.

Dunno if any of you remember Geoff Boyles stand from the early days. In short, it wasn't too welcoming.

These days, it's somewhat different.

I haven't had a major camera-inflicted problem for as long as I can remember, and the imagery is allways better when we go online than when we started to shoot.

Redcode compressed RAW has allways been the strongest point of the system, and these days the baseline results anyone should be capable to deliver is so good, that it shouldn't really worry anyone.