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  1. #21 Incorporate Red Ray into the Blu ray standard. 
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    I am stacking up on bluray disks for the future. They are good quality, and at the moment their are lots of cheap ones. The quality compared to internet TV/cable is great (actually cable TV is great market for Red Ray). Downloads/Streamed TV is essentially practically worthless to me, compared to what I can own in my own hands.

    We should not depend on low density DVD's or downloads, especially considering 3D and 8K. Red should try to get Red Ray incorporated into the Bluray standard, or setup a manufacturer coalition with a parallel standard using the physical BD disks (manufactures would incorporate both into the same machine as an extension, as happened in DVD standards). Red ray does not have to be tied to bluray either, but can be setup to be moved to other future chosen formats as desired by Red. This would actually help BD coalition a lot, even Sony, as they face there own format challenges in increasing disk density and supporting SHD/SHD3D. Imagine also being able to sell old TV seasons on one BD disk in Red ray.
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    I commented before about why BluRay is good... but not about how I am using BluRay.

    Despite being a BluRay advocate, I only own 13 films and 3 TV seasons on BluRay.

    What I noticed when considering my DVD collection is how little I actually watch my DVD's over and over.

    I am slowly selling most of my DVD's.

    I am only replacing the ones I have watched at least 4 times since purchasing them, and which I wish to watch again.

    There are a few DVD's I'll keep, mostly items of special interest that I have not found on BluRay. (Like the biographical documentary Kurosawa) There is one movie, Bullitt, which I only purchased on BluRay for a special feature. (The Cutting Edge:The Magic of Movie Editing)

    The rest will be "replaced" with Netflix/Hulu or subscription broadcast (HBO, Showtime et al.)

    When all is said and done, I guesstimate that I'll end up owning about 10% as many BluRays as I had DVD's when my collection was at its largest. (Its already about 80% gone)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymes Poudrier View Post
    Buy Blur-ray!

    The hints have been around that Red-Ray runs at 10mbps. If that's the case then it is streamable, it will need a dedicated Red Ray box to play it back. The cost of box ownership generally is not as big an investment as the sum of the media you will be playing off of it.

    When and if this comes into play I would not expect much physical media to be laying around. So buy into the Blu-ray player and it's physical media now, buy new titles when/if they become available for Redray. Until everyone has a 4k monitor, you will be doing the best with the HDTV you've got.
    I haven't heard rumors, but I would expect 10MBytes/s not 10Mbits/s

    So... I don't expect we'll be streaming that in the US for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Ibrahim View Post
    I haven't heard rumors, but I would expect 10MBytes/s not 10Mbits/s

    So... I don't expect we'll be streaming that in the US for a while.
    It is MBits.

    The initial demos were 10Mbps. The final bitrate (including multichannel sound) last we heard was 15Mbps.

    Certainly streamable in a number of scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Caesare View Post
    It is MBits.

    The initial demos were 10Mbps. The final bitrate (including multichannel sound) last we heard was 15Mbps.

    Certainly streamable in a number of scenarios.

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    I am incredulous.

    Is there someplace where RED team members say that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart English View Post
    ... I for one would not purchase a system having seen RED RAY images. Just no way.
    ... any timeline and pricing info for public release?

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    It was 10 megabits. Currently 15 according to Stuart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunleik Groven View Post
    It was 10 megabits. Currently 15 according to Stuart
    Yup, that's what we said.

    The name RED RAY came from the original design goal to put 4K on a red laser disk i.e. a DVD-R. No need for a Blu-ray media disk.

    Since then our thinking has shifted to network and solid state media delivery with an HDD archive - especially as you can buy 2TB of USB based storage for about $100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart English View Post
    Yup, that's what we said.

    The name RED RAY came from the original design goal to put 4K on a red laser disk i.e. a DVD-R. No need for a Blu-ray media disk.

    Since then our thinking has shifted to network and solid state media delivery with an HDD archive - especially as you can buy 2TB of USB based storage for about $100.
    Well, color me amazed.

    I do hope you guys will re-consider BluRay as a data medium for delivery. Especially if you can use the higher capacity formats.

    I am not a huge fan of having my "precious" movies on USB spinning disk storage.

    I place value on having an artifact backing up all my online efforts. Sure I have an MP3 collection- but I still have the CD's the came from. When I rip my DVD's (which I don't do very often at all) I keep the DVD disc. So far having the original discs has saved my tail a few times with my music collection.

    I also like the notion that the physical disk serves as evidence of my license to use the copyrighted materials.

    That may seem strange for a digital film guy.. but we all see the effort we go through to retain our data. It's non-trivial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Ibrahim View Post
    Well, color me amazed.

    I do hope you guys will re-consider BluRay as a data medium for delivery. Especially if you can use the higher capacity formats.
    We aim to be physical media agnostic Alexander.

    If you prefer to archive each RED RAY 4K movie to a 25GB BD-R go for it. You will have a lot of space left over...
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