EPIC... ready.

[Uli Plank]

Same here.
If you own a RED, you should spend the relatively decent amount on an adequate editing system. We use a GTX 285, 24 GB RAM on an 8 core Nehalem and it works as smooth as silk. A RAID is not needed unless you want to spit out DPX sequences.

[Carlos Florez]

Same here.
If you own a RED, you should spend the relatively decent amount on an adequate editing system. We use a GTX 285, 24 GB RAM on an 8 core Nehalem and it works as smooth as silk. A RAID is not needed unless you want to spit out DPX sequences.
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Regards,

Uli

Hi Uli, How does the GTX 285 compare to the ATI 5870 ? I'm going to get the new Mac Pro soon and I wonder which one is faster and better for editing and VFX work. After effects, Maya, C4D, Final cut pro, premiere.
Thanks,
C.F

[Dhruv Govil]

Hi Uli, How does the GTX 285 compare to the ATI 5870 ? I'm going to get the new Mac Pro soon and I wonder which one is faster and better for editing and VFX work. After effects, Maya, C4D, Final cut pro, premiere.
Thanks,
C.F

I would choose the Nvidia card based solely on CUDA. Speeds up Premiere as well as a few other programs that can use that system.

[Cory Petkovsek]

Ha, did we hijack this thread or what?? I'm feeling the love from the apple and premier lovers!

You must be repeating what you've heard others say or are still stuck with the memories of old Premiere versions.

You're right I am "stuck with memories" (or more like scars) of "old" premier versions, like /way back/ in CS4 just a few months ago. I cannot speak for CS5, however I just installed it, so we'll see.

To those who have had stable success with Premier, the stability of software should not depend upon how much hardware you throw at it. That is a poor excuse for sloppy code. That's why unix and dec based systems run the internet and not windows.

It may absolutely work smooth given adequate resources, but that is still not a valid excuse. There will inevitably be times when the system is bogged down with tons of effects and layers, or needing to frameserve from one app to another. This is NOT the time I want my software to crash because of sloppy code. In the time of low system resources either due to tons of effects and processes or simply less hardware, the system should slow down, but continue to perform without crashing or hanging.

I look forward to giving Premier CS5 a shot; I wasn't interested before reading all the positive responses. However unless they've radically changed the interface I'll probably maintain a vegas-AE workflow.

Cory

[Art Chong]

Apple is not a software company, otherwise you could install osx legally on any pc and get a phone with ios from different brands, but that is not the case. Itunes is the exception, you can use it without an ipod, but really, who would? Even FCP does not use the full power of the mac pro, so for me, apple is not a software company. Even their pro apps were not apple's development, they mostly bought them from other companies (FCP, logic, color, shake)

Again, it's about ecosystems and user experience. The reason you can't buy OSX and install it legally on any hardware, in my opinion, is because Apple wants to control the usability of the software, and you can do that by controlling what hardware it shows up in, therefore controlling the ecosystem and user experience of their product. If Apple allowed OSX to be installed on whatever hardware then the "just works" concept is down the tubes... just like Windows. My point is again proven by the fact that there's nothing unique about the "driving components" meaning chips and boards in Apple products. The fact that you CAN run OSX on non-apple hardware (though not legally, as you say) is proof enough.

I still believe that the reason you buy an iPhone (certainly my reason) was so that I could use the apps in the app store or enjoy the iOS experience, not because there's something special about the hardware. Another example is AppleTV, which is special because of iTunes integration and good interface (software) design, not because of hardware superiority. The thing that makes their products special is the software, and that to me makes them a software company.

Anyway, I recognize that you do have a point in that they design and market unique hardware. So I guess it's coming to a difference of opinion.

By the way, the interview I referenced start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z7eal4uXI There's like 6 parts, so forgive me for not pointing out the part specifically.

[shashbugu]

Ha, did we hijack this thread or what?? I'm feeling the love from the apple and premier lovers!


You're right I am "stuck with memories" (or more like scars) of "old" premier versions, like /way back/ in CS4 just a few months ago. I cannot speak for CS5, however I just installed it, so we'll see.

To those who have had stable success with Premier, the stability of software should not depend upon how much hardware you throw at it. That is a poor excuse for sloppy code. That's why unix and dec based systems run the internet and not windows.

It may absolutely work smooth given adequate resources, but that is still not a valid excuse. There will inevitably be times when the system is bogged down with tons of effects and layers, or needing to frameserve from one app to another. This is NOT the time I want my software to crash because of sloppy code. In the time of low system resources either due to tons of effects and processes or simply less hardware, the system should slow down, but continue to perform without crashing or hanging.

I look forward to giving Premier CS5 a shot;
Cory

1. With regards to editing and rendering RED footage straight from camera in real time with no transcoding for less than $10,000, there is no hardware software (of the shelf system) configuration that is as stable, extendable and robust as Adobe premiere Pro CS5/ RedRocket system period. Every other system out there that is less than $10,000 is an offline, online, transcode, export, import, multi re-conform application, hope the edit is tight workflow. Any other system with Adobe CS5 type power is more than $20,000.

2. Your system being bogged down with layers is limited by the amount of Ram you have, it doesn't matter if you use windows, osx, unix or linux. Thats why we all composite with hi res application generated proxies, regardless of the system used.

3. Every system under-resourced system will eventually crash.
4. The interface for CS5 is exactly the same as CS4, except for a few time saving workflow interface enhancements. But then again if you are comfortable with AE, its almost the same panel based interface across all Adobe products, except for the lovely Lightroom.

5. I have not personally edited any Red footage in Sony Vegas, from what I've heard its good.

6. Adobe CS4 continues to be updated, even as recently as a week or two ago to handle Red footage.

[Hans von Sonntag]

We are using Premier Pro CS5 on Windows and Mac. On both platforms Premier Pro CS5 is doing a marvelous job. It's stable, it reads R3Ds natively, it can sync via TC sound to video and creates then an usable XML/EDL which FCP cannot do (FCP creates TC synched reference files that break the connection to the original footage). If you have the right Nvidia Cuda capable card in you system many effects are RT which is truly stunning.

Premier Pro CS4 was not so great and rather unstable, especially when using R3Ds. This NOT the case with CS5. I'm a pure user and not an IT-engineer but calling Adobe's codes "sloppy" is not appropriate, is it?

Premier Pro CS5 is well under 1k. For what you get it's a bargain, IMO.

Hans

[Mark Andersen]

EPIC = Epic PICtures

[Ben Ponce]

True movie-making in the palms of your hands. No compromises, no pretending, no limitations, no regrets. Red has literally created dreams in a small box that fits in our mits. Feels tingly right now. Hope I'm alive long enough to see RED Mobile phones- complete with cinema capture qualities in 5K or more, LOL. The tools you guys have created truly make our imaginations limitless.
Thank you Red, thank you.

[Bjørn Vermo]

We are using Premier Pro CS5 on Windows and Mac. On both platforms Premier Pro CS5 is doing a marvelous job. It's stable, it reads R3Ds natively, it can sync via TC sound to video and creates then an usable XML/EDL which FCP cannot do (FCP creates TC synched reference files that break the connection to the original footage). If you have the right Nvidia Cuda capable card in you system many effects are RT which is truly stunning.

Premier Pro CS4 was not so great and rather unstable, especially when using R3Ds. This NOT the case with CS5. I'm a pure user and not an IT-engineer but calling Adobe's codes "sloppy" is not appropriate, is it?

Premier Pro CS5 is well under 1k. For what you get it's a bargain, IMO.

Hans

Interesting information.
I am looking for something new when Scarlet ships, as I do not have anything which does more than HD. I have an ingrained scepticism to Adobe because of the incredibly poor coding of Acrobat and Flash, but on the other hand a trusted friend took a job with them. He is the kind who would quit in a rage if development was shoddy, so I suppose things have been straightened out.

I do not like the Apple UI, though, so I will want to run my main system under SuSE or Windows 7. Even though I write this on a MacBook Pro, I do not relate well to a system where you cannot resize a window by grabbing any edge. Actually, I have installed KDE 4 on the Mac...