Scarlet update in mid-May

[Rick Burnett]

Too many "simply"'s in there my man. There is clearly little that is simple about any of this.

No, that's not true. Because I "simply" want one :) There is NOTHING complicated about that!

[Jeffrey T. Morgan]

Right, I imagine its like the t2i/550d vs 7d, the 7D has 2 processors and can take stills at 8 fps. My T2i is 3.6 still fps. Epic would be a mega horsepower machine to do the frame rates, raw, 5k, that they are talking about.

Processors!

edit: you guys beat me to it!


I also agree that Scarlet is going to compete with epic now or later. even before Scarlet is released, people will skip epic to wait for it, competing. BUT, those poor unfortunate redone owners who ALSO own epic ( ;-P ) will be just fine. In the same way the MX RED ONE is now the bees knees, Epic will be vastly preferred over ( my someday in hand ) Scarlet. Its silly to think Epic users will really suffer because of scarlet.

Jeff

[Chris Pickle]

I seriously doubt that its only a software change between the Epic and Scarlet S35. Just because they have the same sensor doesn't mean there isn't a hardware related bottleneck behind the scenes. Remember the Epic can process 1.5GP/s, (if I remember correctly.) Scarlet can not.

I think you're probably right, but I was talking from a broader marketing sense. The marketing ... "optics" if you will. I know that from a technical sense, high frame rates require much more horse power. I completely 100% understand. But maybe that difference will be lost on many. It's one thing for very savvy users here to understand, but I can at least acknowledge the possibility that it will seem odd to others. Say the Scarlet S35 does 60fps and the Epic 250fps and the price difference is 30k.

I know Jim has said many times that frame rates cost money. I suspect that Red is hoping that they can do a good job of educating the customer on that fact. I bet this is a big topic of discussion at Red HQ--how to differentiate the product lines if they share the same chip.

[Jeffrey T. Morgan]

Chris

Right on man, the cost of FPS is huge. And whether or not the general market knows this, the professional one does for sure. Whether FILM or DIGITAL is an exponential cost growth. And production growth (with lights, etc). Case and point is the Phantom system.

Jeff

[Stephen Matthews]

I don't think that is going to even be an issue for most people because the epic is not an option. If you have the money get em all or whatever you want, if money is an issue then it's between s35 and 2/3". Rental houses and studios/production companies will buy the majority of the epics and cover their cost of development (most likely), as well as the current red one users. I don't think they are going to have their own cameras competing with each other, they cover vastly different markets, all of which I believe will have a high demand for one or many of these cameras. I feel that the customers are going to be learning about these things much faster than most realize, considering these aren't handycam's they are real production equipment and for the most part the people working with them will be students amateurs and professionals, all should be able to understand what they are really paying for.

[David Rasberry]

Well, yes and no. The bigger RED One and Epic guys are going to get hit by Scarlet no matter what. It's just a matter of whether it happens now or later. After seeing the 5D Mark II episode of "House" last night, I think the bigger worry is that more and more people are going to go with Canon's DSLR solutions (and surely more after Photokina) simply for the price and availability at the moment. So, if it's just slow motion they're going after then the Scarlet is going to fit the bill for most as the B-cam for effects, at least until the S35 model comes out.

When you get to major series production budgets, camera cost per se is not much of an issue. They didn't use DSLR's on House because they were cheap, the camera happened to fit the show's production style and the small form factor was a plus for the tight sets.

We don't all necessarily want to shoot 35mm sized sensors. There are many production applications where 2/3" will be the first choice and picking a DSLR sized 2/3" camera that is an uncompromised motion production camera with exceptional features over consumer video from a still camera with multiple compromises will be a no brainer.

[Zack Birlew]

Too many "simply"'s in there my man. There is clearly little that is simple about any of this.

Well, nobody said it wasn't simple either ;)

[Zack Birlew]

When you get to major series production budgets, camera cost per se is not much of an issue. They didn't use DSLR's on House because they were cheap, the camera happened to fit the show's production style and the small form factor was a plus for the tight sets.

We don't all necessarily want to shoot 35mm sized sensors. There are many production applications where 2/3" will be the first choice and picking a DSLR sized 2/3" camera that is an uncompromised motion production camera with exceptional features over consumer video from a still camera with multiple compromises will be a no brainer.

True, but the point is that there might be the possibility of an early S35 model release if my hypothesis is correct. Unlike the 2/3" model, the S35 Epic and S35 Scarlet share the same sensor on paper.

[Joseph Hutson]

True, but the point is that there might be the possibility of an early S35 model release if my hypothesis is correct.

Hehe. Not happening...if it did, RED would comPLETely take me by surprise. We should just hope for an S35 Scarlet by the end of of 2010. That's not being pessimistic...just trying to bring in a bit of reality here.

[MichaelHalsell]

True, but the point is that there might be the possibility of an early S35 model release if my hypothesis is correct. Unlike the 2/3" model, the S35 Epic and S35 Scarlet share the same sensor on paper.

As a devils advocate, wouldn't the S35 Scarlet possibly cannablize the Epic with such a close release date?