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    Per Jarred mentioning the idea of a list (as a joke? not sure, haha) and my own desire to read and re-read the highlights, here are the things that have been answered/suggested/left open by RED and REDUser Moderators in the Nov 30th feedback thread.


    As noted (everywhere), the original announcement thread is here: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38274

    The feedback thread where all this info came from is here: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38275

    Post numbers of the original posts (from the feedback thread) are/were accurate as of my initially posting this. As we all know, things shift around occasionally.

    I will continue to update this as I read new posts in that thread. Feel free to PM me if you think I should move or clarify something.


    As a general note, Jarred has acknowledged that RED is working on an updated spec sheet (post #676 in feedback thread).


    This is all current as of post #1178. I try to update it daily.

    Here it is, categorically:
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    Audio
    -Stuart (post #95) Regarding if brains will have on board audio: "Yes, each of the Scarlet (and EPIC) brains include 2 independent channels of microphone level analog audio input digitized to 24-bit 48KHz."
    -Jarred (post #416) Regarding what audio inputs are on the brains: "3.5mm jacks....Each input is balanced or unbalanced mono microphone level input as well as 48V phantom power."
    -Stuart (post #949) Regarding the possibility of an included microphone: "There are optional RED button mics that can plug into the front of the camera brain. Or you can use external microphones; whatever works best for you."
    -Stuart (post #1123) Regarding if the I/O module with two audio inputs will add to or override the two inputs on a brain unit "In that scenario it's four total audio channels..."


    Boot Times
    -Jarred (post #117) Regarding speed of bootup time: "PFQ... you can decipher what that means :) "
    -Jarred (post #305) Regarding speed of bootup times: "At any rate... boot up time is mere seconds..... and we do have a sleep mode that is even quicker. Not instant, but not too far off of your Nikon or Canon."


    Capure Methods/Devices
    -Jarred (post #461) Regarding REDCode 100 and 16GB CF Cards: "The 16GB cards can't record REDCODE 100. The 16GB cards can however record REDCODE 42."
    -Jarred (post #471) Regarding possibility of new CF Cards & REDcode 100: "No new 16GB cards.. REDCODE 100 is going to be 1.8" SSD territory."
    -Deanan (post #504) Regarding 16GB CF availability and performance and what no new card means: "It means that we'll be squeezing the maximum performance out of the 16GB cards in all the new cameras. The new cameras have more flexibility to maximize throughput and we'll be tuning to get the most out of those cards. It's too early to say what the max redcode and frame rates the cards will be able to handle."
    -Stuart (post #595) Regarding gigabit ethernet connection abilities and if we can record straight to PC: "To clarify- You record to the camera media first, then you can copy that file (or files) over Ethernet."
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding if we can record to third party storage: "Most likely not. We continue to experiment with this with the RED ONE and the speeds and stability of "random" drives just are not reliable enough. That said we do have options of offloading footage AFTER it is shot over Gig-E etc. to standard drives, when sustained rate is much less important."
    -Jarred (post #716) Regarding how to connect current RED drives to the Scarlet: "With the RED DRIVE Module."
    -Jarred (post #738) Regarding connecting current RED drive/ram to Scarlet: "There is a very thin module with a Drive port on it available for people to use existing drives... it's not the standard IO module :)"
    -Deanan (post #1055) Regarding whether the new CF Modules will support CFast "It needs a new reader module (it's a different interface) but we will support it as soon as it's viable."


    Configuration
    -Jarred (post #194) Regarding Scarlet handle: "There is a bottom handle for the Scarlet.. and it has Start stop and user buttons on it :) "
    -Stuart (post #202) Regarding possible sizes of Scarlet: "Scarlet gets even slimmer if you take off the Side CF module.. ...which can be very desirable for crash cam and also broadcast-style 'POV' applications."
    -Deanan (post #558) Regarding ability to remove side module yourself: "The side module is user removable."
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding hand hold options: "We have a whole slew of optional accessories for the Scarlet system that will be announced over the next while.. There is something for everyone."
    -Jarred (post #865) Regarding why module adapters weren't built in: "The adapters are a critical structural element to the system, they provide the first latch point and reinforcement. We could of just made the brains all longer and built that in, but we felt it was much better to make the brain small as possible for those situations when you don't need rear modules."


    EVFs
    -Jarred (post #194) Regarding making the Bomb EFV heated: "In cold situations (the kinda cold people really shouldn't be in :) ) the Display and the batteries seem to always go first... You can always keep batteries warm in a pack but the EVF was a hard one to keep warm.. so we added a heater :)"
    -Stuart (post #180) Regarding why Bomb EVF costs $3,200 (USD): "Look into one, then look into someone else's. Then you will know..."
    -Jarred (post #407) Regarding Bomb EVF name & Airport/Customs trouble: "Ha Ha our chief EVF engineer had the same complaint :) We liked the name though.. so we are keeping it. Nothing a little gaffer tape wont fix going through customs if you are really worried about it."
    -Stuart (post #612) Regarding if REDmote can access the UI menu while using EVF: "Yes, either a REDmote or a Side Handle."
    -Stuart (post #612) Regarding if looking into the EVF will look similar to UI image seen here: "Yes, it would look very similar."
    -Stuart (post #741) Regarding EVF and using eyeglasses: "RED's electronic viewfinders RED-EVF / Bomb-EVF have a pretty wide range diopter adjustment. So you may be O.K there."


    Focus
    -Jarred (post #420) Regarding using Touch Focus function and following a subject: "Touch to lock focus... if she has a face, you can use face tracking, or if not you can use the traditional focus points."
    -Jarred (post #621) Regarding using REDmote to pull focus on various lenses, and its battery: "Yes you can use it on Epic to pull focus on Canon/Nikon Lenses. The knob is aprox. 2.5" in diameter, there are some similar sized knobs on the market and it feels really good in your hand. The white ring is replaceable. The Battery on the Redmote should last an entire day. When it is on the back of the camera it charges itself as well."


    Format
    -Jarred (post #416) Regarding REDmote on Fixed8x Nov30th image showing "4k" on the image: "The REDMOTE was designed first for the EPIC brain.. so the Epic info screen was on it. No 4k on the fixed 8x."
    -Stuart (post #568) Regarding REDmote on Fixed8x Nov30th image showing "4k" on the image: "It's a render of a REDmote PRO which can also be used on the other cameras, so no Scarlet 2/3" is still a 3K camera .."
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    Lens & Mount Related
    -Jason (post #262) Regarding if the 8xFixed is removable: "If you check out the october 30th announcement thread, you will see a picture of the lens for the 8x fixed scarlet, and it should make it very clear why you will not be able to "swap" out anything when it comes to the glass. That's where the interchangeable model comes in."
    -Jarred (post #275) Regarding if we can use lens adapters on the 8xFixed: "yes.. you can use tele/wide extenders on the fixed if you choose. It has a standard 77mm threaded ring on the front to allow. If that still makes you feel restricted, that is why we also offer the Interchangeable lens version of the 2/3rds Scarlet. "
    -Jarred (post #283) Regarding the question of RED stepping down from tele/wide extender front for the time being: "For the moment yes..."
    -Jarred (post #294) Regarding the RED MiniPrimes mount: "The Mini Primes use a Mini PL mount... basically a scaled down version of a PL mount. This is different than the RED PRIME mount, which has a much larger image circle to accommodate full frame sensors. And I cant wait for you guys to see the optics on the mini-primes... Well over 100 line pairs of resolution center to edge, Distortion incredibly low, Chromatic and Spherical Aberration is virtually absent. We spent alot of time on these little guys.."
    -Jarred (post #312) Regarding if RED MiniPrimes are electronically controlled: "Not electronically controlled.. the Mini Prime Lenses ( and mount ) are manually controlled. The Digital Design refers to the optical design being designed and optimized specifically for our digital sensor and it's pixel pitch and OLPF combination."
    -Jarred (post #357) Regarding if the 8xFixed lens being servo controlled, and zoom/iris/focus can be set to control from lens or REDmote/s and handle/s: "correcto... and you can use those rings on the normal REDMOTE, Side Handle or the REDMOTE PRO to handle either of the rings (Z,I,F) as well."
    -Jarred (post #362) Regarding B4 Lens mount availability: "And since the mount is interchangeable, there will be many options available... we are still deciding which ones to come out with first."
    -Jarred (post #364) Regarding if the OLED Lens display mentioned in the past will be on RED electronic lenses only (not detailed in Nov 30th announcement): "correct.... "
    -Jarred (post #416) Regaridng MiniPL Mount Cost: "It will be less than the electronic mounts. (which are $500 each )"
    -David (post #427) Regarding similar DoF from 2/3 Scarlet with Mini Primes: "Because of the shorter focal lengths used on a 2/3" camera to match the field of view on a Super-35 camera, a 2.5X magnification factor, you have an effective increase of depth of field on a 2/3" camera as if you stopped-down by 2.5-stops compared to Super-35. In other words, shooting at f/2.8 on a 2/3" camera, once you match field of view, looks like an f/5.6-8.0 split on a Super-35 camera. So how shallow you can make the depth of field on a 2/3" camera, just as with any camera, will be controlled by how wide-open your lens aperture goes. Let's just say that an f/1.5-stop on the Mini Prime is close to an f/1.4-2.0 split. Therefore that would look like shooting at f/4.0 on a Super-35 camera."
    -Jarred (post #456) Regarding Tstop of 8xFixed: "T2.6"
    -Jarred (post #497) Regarding PL and MiniPL and what they come standard on: "PL mount is standard on S35 EPIC and S35 SCARLET cameras. Mini-PL standard on 2/3 Removable."
    -Deanan (post #545) Regarding lens data for post work: "The lens info is saved in the R3D metadata."
    -Stuart (post #564) Regarding lens power & control: "Both of the I/O modules include the same 10-pin AUX connector as found on the RED-ONE. So power and Record Start / Stop and Playback Last Clip triggers are available from there."
    -Jarred (post #632) Regarding use of the standard PL mount for the 2/3 swappable Scarlet: "Yes there will be a standard PL mount for Scarlet 2/3rds removable so you can use 35mm and 16mm glass. This is how I shot The Time Tank Revisited with the Scarlet 2/3" Prototype and RED PRO 85mm PRIME remember :)"
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding the F/Tstop of 8xFixed: "Lens is F2.4, T2.6. (And Incredible)"
    -Jarred (post #735) Regarding assumption that 8xFixed will be 7.5-60mm: "Close.. we will release a detailed spec/comparison sheet of the lineup soon. Remember, We changed alot of features and specs over the last while beefing up the Scarlets so it will take us a while to put them all together."
    -Jarred (post #788) Regarding F vs T stop (it was asked if the T-Stop changed while zooming): "No, lens maximum aperture is usually discussed in either 2 flavors, F-Stop or T-Stop. F-Stop is used in the Photo world, T-Stop in the Film world. T Stops are actual transmission through the lens, and are a bit more accurate than F stops, and will likely always be larger of a number than F stops."
    -Jarred (post #865) Regarding mount options when buying the camera: "We are still discussing mount options.. It seems like an easy solution to just provide whatever mount is wanted but there is a bit if a logistical issue to provide that sort of thing.. But we are discussing solutions."
    -Jannard (post #1142) Regarding the possibility of a B4 mount and others "There are an unlimited number of lens mount options for EPIC and Scarlet. Not all are electronically controlled. RED will offer quite a few and third parties will undoubtedly offer the rest. We'll list the RED offered options over time. We just aren't there yet."


    Monitoring
    **Note**: These are OUTPUT related, for monitoring INTERFACE options, see UI/monitoring section in post #4.
    -Stuart (post #808) Regarding assumption that modules will provide desired outputs: "Correct, for Scarlet with either the Base I/O Module or the Pro I/O Module you would get 2 x HD-SDI outputs... (and in EPIC's case, as it has HD-SDI on the camera head as well as HDMI, that's a 2nd and 3rd HD-SDI output)"
    -Jarred (post #831) Regarding monitoring with HDMI: "Epic and Scarlet will have a much more universal implementation of HDMI than the RED ONE has :)"
    -Stuart (post #839) Regarding monitoring with HDMI and the current HDMI issues with RED ONE: "I would suggest to you that's not likely to be an HDMI issue per se... And also that there is a big advantage in the range of signals that HDMI can support compared to HD-SDI... However there is certainly HD-SDI available in the Scarlet system."
    -Stuart (post #839) Regarding monitoring with HDMI/DVI: "Well that is essentially what HDMI is - DVI on a different connector, plus optional content encryption and communications (which we don't enable)"
    -Stuart (post #1124) Regarding whether the new cameras HD-SDI outputs follow industry 'standard' in the PsF vs P "No to PsF, i.e. yes to 1080P at 23.98 and 25.00 and 29.97"
    -Stuart (post #THX1138) Regarding the claim that the main purpose of the HD-SDI is to interface with equipment from other manufacturers "Of course. And our HD-SDI outputs are designed to the SMPTE specs."
    -Stuart (post #1138) Regarding the claim that most other manufacturers seems to standardize on PsF for 1080/23.98, 25 and 29.97 "I think you will find that many manufacturers will accept either version of the format - P or PsF - that the SMPTE spec defines."

    Neutral Density (on 8xFixed Scarlet)
    -Jarred (post #667) Regarding ND options on Scarlet 8xFixed: "3 Positions.. OFF, .9ND and 1.8ND."
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding ND setting decision: "The power of the ND's arrived from a number of factors.. including the incredible ISO flexibility of the new MX sensors, the interaction with IR balance, and use cases :)"


    Post
    -Stuart (post #391) Regarding GPS & Motion Sensor: "...the 3-axis accelerometer data is captured each frame, so we can extract the camera's 3D orientation from that, and this is complemented by the GPS data which acts as a time / location reference."
    -Stuart (post #404) Regarding whether RRD will be open format for other developers to integrate using the SDK: "The only requirement is that the post production application should provide (the RED RAY encoder) a sequence of 4K or 2K resolution DPX files..."
    -Deanan (post #539) Regarding whether RED Rocket™™™™™™ will accelerate RRD Encoding: "Rocket will accelerate the R3D side of the decode/debayer/color/scaling. :)"
    -Deanan (post #545) Regarding lens data for post work: "The lens info is saved in the R3D metadata."
    -Stuart (post #585) Regarding whether one can export camera movement data to various post software: "In principle yes, but as a practical matter this data needs to be published in a formal SDK before that integration work could start."
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    Power
    -Jarred (post #232) Regarding why some want hot swappable battery options: "if your in the middle of an interview or a hockey game or an expensive stunt or..etc. etc. etc. and you don't want to stop recording..."
    -Jarred (post #416) Regarding batteries & their modules/costs: "There are some options in there that we will talk about soon.. not only different batteries, but different modules."
    -Jarred (post #416) Regarding 8xFixed package power option: "The 8X fixed package deal is a up-and-shoot package, and unfortunately by announcement time it was still a little too early to lock down which option we can include for power so we left it off the list for now.. don't worry, we will let you know soon."
    -Stuart (post #564) Regarding lens power & control: "Both of the I/O modules include the same 10-pin AUX connector as found on the RED-ONE. So power and Record Start / Stop and Playback Last Clip triggers are available from there."
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding assumption that batteries will last only 60-90 minutes: "Its sort of like comparing a 911 Turbo to a Honda Civic... The Civic is going to give you alot more MPG, but not go anywhere near as fast."
    -Stuart (post #755) Regarding whether Scarlet will have a 1.5A connector: "The optional Pro I/O module does yes...."


    Processing/Image
    -Graeme (post #134) Regarding HDR and an opinion on how it looks bad on many competing cameras: "I can understand why you hate HDR, as so much of it looks awful. However, that's because of awful tonemapping techniques that make great photos look like a kid's crayon picture. You can sleep well at night knowing there's no way I'd allow any HDR we do to look like that."
    -Jarred (post #223) Regarding REDCODE 100 and other data rate options: "The good thing is that it is just an option.. REDCODE 42, heck even REDCODE 28 in 4k have been more then enough for alot of people shooting normal speeds. And those extra bits do really help when you are over-cranking :) "
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding what the Scarlet 2/3 max continuous FPS is in regards to REDCODE: "Frame rate and REDCODE rate are not tied together remember, so you can lower your REDCODE rate to shoot higher frame rates on slower media. It is impossible to answer the question on what those maximum rates are right now till everything is together and up and running."


    REDmotes
    -Jarred (post #120) Regarding if we have to have one REDmote always connected to the camera, or if we can use it wirelessly with/without a second: "The answer is actually both... all REDMOTEs are wireless.. so you can have just one and use it on and off camera. But, REDMOTEs are also Master/Slave programable.. so you can have multiple REDMOTEs per camera if that is how you want to roll... :)"
    -Stuart (post #166) Regarding REDmote PRO and if it will work with EPIC: "Yes it will... Scarlet is part of the same modular system as EPIC, and vice versa."
    -Jarred (post #369) Regarding assumption that the normal REDmote will have wireless focus control "Correct.. there is a rotational ring on the normal redmote, and on the side handle as well, that can be programmed for either function."
    -Jarred (post #758) Regarding REDmote being wireless: "All REDMOTEs are wireless yes.. it clicks onto the back of the brain, or onto the back of each module :)"
    -Stuart (post #843) Regarding REDlink and what it is: "REDmote uses it's own wireless protocol i.e. "REDLink" This wireless link has significantly greater range than 802.11 WiFi"
    -Deanan (post #846) Regarding REDmote range and function: "More on it later. It's purpose is to provide the flexibility to control the cameras rather than stream video."
    -Stuart (post #848) Regarding REDmote camera sync capabilities: "Synced start / stop between two cameras yes, but video sync requires a video Genlock signal be fed to the camera brain or via an I/O Module. REDmote is a full function wireless Camera Remote Control Unit. However it does not monitor video and provides no video-style sync signals...."
    -Stuart (post #881) Regarding if REDmote will use direct connection when mounted to camera body: "Yes, when docked to the back of the camera (or module stack), it disables its wireless transmitter and becomes a direct communication device."
    -Stuart (post #996) Regarding possibility of a wired connection to the REDmote (useful in a number of ways, including underwater photography): "I'm sure that something could be worked out. But it's not something that's planned for initial release."
    -Deanan (post #1000) Regarding possible third party access to REDmote function use (the answer seems to be an affirmative) "The same things you can control from REDmote can also be controlled over wifi or gige with a simple protocol."
    -Jarred (post #1280) Regarding whether the REDmote will be able view and listen to a live feed "nope :) "


    Timecode
    -Stuart (post #610) Regarding if TC in/out capabilities on Scarlet match those of RED ONE: "With either one of the optional I/O Modules, yes. "


    UI/Monitoring (All of these are referencing the image seen here.)
    **Note**: These are INTERFACE related, for monitoring OUTPUT options, see monitoring section in post #3.
    -Stuart (post #612) Regarding the tab on left in the UI image: "That's a tab that opens up for selection of various UI options."
    -Jarred (post #637) Regarding battery and media usage rates on UI image and ability to change indicator: "Hey Milan... dont worry the Battery and Media are both switchable to numbers or graphics.. The Timecode and Clip name are adjustable :) "
    -Stuart (post #647) Regarding desire for text free UI: "We 100% agree... However it's a function of the height of the specific display and the aspect of the currently recorded image. So you are looking at the worst case scenario here. With taller displays or wider aspects you wouldn't even have this minimal overlap. We will also let you turn off items that you don't want or need to see."
    -Stuart (post #648) Regarding shaded area of UI image and what it is: "Of course.. it's called LOOK AROUND and it's been a function of the EVF and LCD monitoring outputs on the RED ONE camera since day one. I'm not sure why other video camera's don't offer this, once you have experienced the feature it's hard to give it up."
    -Stuart (post #660) Regarding flexibility of output image: "Yes, frame guide choices are independent per monitor output. Lots of flexibility here. So just as one example - the camera's default operational setup - a 5" touchscreen LCD may be showing full camera menus plus Look Around and Frame Guide graphics, the HDMI output may be providing a 720p Preview Output with Safe Action and Safe Title, and the HD-SDI output (on EPIC bodies, or either I/O module) may be providing a clean feed (no graphics) 1080p Program Output."
    -Jannard(post #766) Regarding if the red bar above Tstop in the UI image indicates what function is utilizing the REDmote wheel: "Yes and yes." (First "yes" was to the UI being a mockup)
    -Deanan (post #846) Regarding whether lens data can only be seen in post metadata, or on UI while shooting as well "Through the UI also."
    -Stuart (post #927) Regarding if HDMI output can be used to view full UI and look around: "That's not the default configuration for the HDMI output, but yes you can select that as a user configuration option."
    -Stuart (post #990) Regarding user choosing the UI layouts: "And to the question: can you create and save custom layouts?..... Yes."
    -Jarred (post #1014) Regarding if the GUI will change horizontal to vertical orientation if the camera orientation changes "yes"
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    General
    -Jarred (post #243) Regarding 8xFixed Scarlet price being "low" in the face of it's price rising: "ironically... that statement is incredibly true... even though some people have a very hard time to understand it :) "
    -Jarred (post #272) Regarding ability to pimp out the 8xFixed Scarlet beyond the base complete package: "absolutely.. thats kinda the whole Idea behind the modular DSMC program :) "
    -Jarred (post #278) Regarding leasing from RED: "We have our hands full making cameras so we leave the leasing to the professionals.. there are many Leasing companies that have special RED package options and I am sure there will be even more when it comes close to shipping."
    -Jarred (post #309) Regarding release quantities: "Those details we will sort out as we get close... there is still lots of time and since the machines are already moving, we should have built up a good amount of stock by the time Scarlets start shipping."
    -Stuart (post #650) Regarding if 10-pin Aux and 4-pin Lemo are on brain: "No, the Base I/O has one of each.. the Pro I/O has one of each, plus a new 3-pin power out."
    -Jarred (post #691) Regarding LCD options and pricing: "You can use the 5" LCD on any of the cameras, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can trade in the packaged 2.8" for credit. Part of the reason we can make the package for such an incredible price is manufacturing all the pieces in quantity together to be sold together, much like the base production pack for the RED ONE. That said.. we are still discussing internally if there may be any options, so stay tuned."
    -Stuart (post #706) Regarding what ports are in the image seen here: "Headphones. HDMI. RS422. Sync (Video and Shutter). Gigabit Ethernet. D.C Power in."
    -Jarred (post #719) Regarding the possibility of a Magnesium vs Aluminum body: "Both mechanical versions are going through extensive thermal and environmental testing right now.. So we need to wait till those are done before we know which way it will go."
    -Jarred (post #777) Regarding the mentioned SSD reader: "The SSD reader is one part of the RED STATION.. can be used by itself, or in the stack."
    -Jarred (post #853) Regarding if there is a potential package price for the MiniPrimes: "Likely for the full set."
    -Deanan (post #855) Regarding if HDSDI cannot or should not be used as a program option "Nope."
    -Stuart (post #1095) Regarding why the RED Ray Pro has 12 channels of digital audio out, and also if they can be used for input "For similar reasons that the HDCAM SR mastering format supports 12 channels of audio." "By definition if you can get 12 channels out, yes there is a way to get 12 channels in."





    Finally, Jarred said (somewhat vaguely, as was the point I assume) that #21 from the announcement list is not any of these things and is "much more special" than some of the speculation. (See post #311).





    That's it for now - enjoy!
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    Just a quick thing, page numbers are a bit difficult because some people have their settings different for how they view a thread so perhaps the post # is better. Although overall good job! nice to see all the info coming together
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imran Farouk View Post
    Just a quick thing, page numbers are a bit difficult because some people have their settings different for how they view a thread so perhaps the post # is better. Although overall good job! nice to see all the info coming together
    Ah, indeed. I was contemplating when I started how I should point it out. (Edit: I changed all the page #'s to post #'s. Good to go.)

    Thanks,

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    This is very nice. Thank you for taking the time.
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    Wow Pierce, a big thanks for that.

    And yes, page numbers are a bit difficult the Nov. 30 thread is only 24 pages long with my current settings. But either way, this is a great list of the highlights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kilgroe View Post
    Wow Pierce, a big thanks for that.

    And yes, page numbers are a bit difficult the Nov. 30 thread is only 24 pages long with my current settings. But either way, this is a great list of the highlights.
    10-4, (Edit: Changed all the page #'s to post #'s).

    Glad to do it.
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