Underwater Bubble Blowers User Group Thread NEW

[Will Keir]

Are re breathers extremely dangerous to use, or is that more of a myth than grounded facts/experience?

[C.H.Haskell]

Follow the link: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...or-my-Epic-yet and click on the images :)

Is it just me or is this link broken? I am also seeking examples of IQ with the nikonos 15mm!

[KETCH ROSSi]

Are re breathers extremely dangerous to use, or is that more of a myth than grounded facts/experience?

Its a FACT Will, for this reason you can't dive with a Re-Breather unless you are a Master Diver with no less then over 100 dives in open waters.

Some a more strict then others, it is also to keep in mind the mixing of the elements in the Re-Breathers, this is what makes it dangerous.

[Pawel Achtel]

Is it just me or is this link broken? I am also seeking examples of IQ with the nikonos 15mm!

Hey Clayton,

Frazier Nivens hi-jacked the thread and the entire thread has been removed. There is no shortage of trolls here.
If anyone is interested in seeing full 5k image that Phil captured with his DeepX, please send me an email and I will gladly forward his report to those genuinely interested.

[Frazier Nivens]

Is it just me or is this link broken? I am also seeking examples of IQ with the nikonos 15mm!

Hi Clayton, the link was broken long ago when Red changed their site around and the UW Bubble Blowers site was down and completely gone, nobody in our group could post anything for a while. I wanted to keep it going so I started it all over again.

Thanks Tom for your support. But finally for once Pawel is incorrect....

Best to all,
Frazier

[Frazier Nivens]

Hey Clayton,

Frazier Nivens hi-jacked the thread and the entire thread has been removed. There is no shortage of trolls here.
If anyone is interested in seeing full 5k image that Phil captured with his DeepX, please send me an email and I will gladly forward his report to those genuinely interested.

Not very nice of you Pawel, totally unnecessary.

[Pawel Achtel]

to clarify:

Clayton didn't refer to the original Underwater Bubble Blowers thread that was unavailable for some time and resurected since then.

Clayton was referring to the thread started by our customer, Phil Barthropp (DOP), showing his shoot at the Olympic dive pool with DeepX and Nikonos 15mm and sharing some breathtaking underwater images before a troll hi-jacked the thread by posting some (crappy) images of snappers. WTF? I complained to the mods and the entire thread was taken down. If the troll was someone else, my appologies, Frazier....

Let me know if I'm "finally for once incorrect".

[Rudi Herbert]

This is actually good, I have finally been convinced to stay away from this thread and Reduser for while...

Pawel is constantly calling names here, the last of which was qualifying Frazier's images as "crappy", and yet, he gets to complain and have entire threads taken down?! Oh lord...

Tom, TRUST ME, whatever I've shared here has never been to bait Pawel, I don't think I ever did stuff like that even as a kid. Whatever I've shared has been out of excitement, but ultimately, I don't own the images so I can't share them. But I have been allowed to share some technical details, that frankly, should be quite illuminating for those who are in a position to a) understand these concepts, and b) do something about it. I am not, unfortunately, an engineer or a manufacturer. God knows every few months I call or write people like John Ellerbrock, Mike Hastings, Paul Remijan from Fathom Optics, and beg them to build me housings and optics for new cameras and lenses. In my position, all I can do is try to enthuse those in the position to make things happen. Let it be known that I've offered significant financial offers to some of those people to undertake projects that I think have the potential to be revolutionary. Invariably, these people, nicely and respectfully, turn me down, choosing instead to go with safe bets. Which I understand and respect.

Thus, when something simply different, if not revolutionary, but merely different, comes my way, I get understandably excited. Sorry. I wish Pawel the best, I really do, but his system does not excite me, we were in fact discussing using nikonos lenses with a RED before Pawel even joined this forum. But when I see people daring to, FINALLY, do something other than putting a generic dome in front of a land lens, people who dare think: how else can we make this better, I quiver in my fins with excitement. Because, save for increasing the diameter of said domes, or the coatings, or Jesus H Christ, add extender for some lenses, our industry has not managed to produce a true optical breakthrough in porbably over 40 years. Shame on us, still struggling with subpar images with our 5K cameras and utltra-tetra-hyper byte hard drives and 90 cores computers, when Nikon managed to "solve" these issues back in the 1970's with the Nikonos lenses, and except for Pawel taking a ride on Nikon's ingenuity, no other bright mind in our field, has done a damn thing to move things forward. Sad really. Once again, sorry if all I can share is excitement, not images, but with that in mind, I'll stop posting about things I cannot show off.

[Frazier Nivens]

Pawel, you are correct, I was mistaken and thought I was posting that "Crappy" photo of the Snapper's to the UW Bubble Blowers thread and I am sorry that I posted to the wrong thread. It is my mistake and I was wrong.


I don't think I've ever treated you with that much disrespect as you sometimes show others.

Pawel, you were correct in that it was me that posted that image, I wasn't intentionally trying to hijack your other thread. I unfortunately saw the link, was interested in seeing your amazing images that your client posted and was trying to show differences in imaging, the Nikonos 15mm lens and then different lenses behind a dome port.

I would never call your images crappy. Is this a "Crappy" image, it was shot behind a dome port with a Canon 16-35mm 2.8 lens.

But if you compare the images, which one is sharper and clearer. Put them side by side and compare. Is one better than the other?


I don't really care about charts so much as I do what the image looks like projected on screen, if it looks good to my eye then I'm good with that.

I was very interested in seeing how your 15mm Niknonos lens looked, I am sorry that I did in fact hijack your thread, not intentional, thought I was posting to UW BB thread since your clients link was posted there. You are correct in your statement.

Best,
Frazier

By the way, here is that crappy image downloaded in low res to UW BB thread.

[Frazier Nivens]

This is actually good, I have finally been convinced to stay away from this thread and Reduser for while...

Pawel is constantly calling names here, the last of which was qualifying Frazier's images as "crappy", and yet, he gets to complain and have entire threads taken down?! Oh lord...

Tom, TRUST ME, whatever I've shared here has never been to bait Pawel, I don't think I ever did stuff like that even as a kid. Whatever I've shared has been out of excitement, but ultimately, I don't own the images so I can't share them. But I have been allowed to share some technical details, that frankly, should be quite illuminating for those who are in a position to a) understand these concepts, and b) do something about it. I am not, unfortunately, an engineer or a manufacturer. God knows every few months I call or write people like John Ellerbrock, Mike Hastings, Paul Remijan from Fathom Optics, and beg them to build me housings and optics for new cameras and lenses. In my position, all I can do is try to enthuse those in the position to make things happen. Let it be known that I've offered significant financial offers to some of those people to undertake projects that I think have the potential to be revolutionary. Invariably, these people, nicely and respectfully, turn me down, choosing instead to go with safe bets. Which I understand and respect.

Thus, when something simply different, if not revolutionary, but merely different, comes my way, I get understandably excited. Sorry. I wish Pawel the best, I really do, but his system does not excite me, we were in fact discussing using nikonos lenses with a RED before Pawel even joined this forum. But when I see people daring to, FINALLY, do something other than putting a generic dome in front of a land lens, people who dare think: how else can we make this better, I quiver in my fins with excitement. Because, save for increasing the diameter of said domes, or the coatings, or Jesus H Christ, add extender for some lenses, our industry has not managed to produce a true optical breakthrough in porbably over 40 years. Shame on us, still struggling with subpar images with our 5K cameras and utltra-tetra-hyper byte hard drives and 90 cores computers, when Nikon managed to "solve" these issues back in the 1970's with the Nikonos lenses, and except for Pawel taking a ride on Nikon's ingenuity, no other bright mind in our field, has done a damn thing to move things forward. Sad really. Once again, sorry if all I can share is excitement, not images, but with that in mind, I'll stop posting about things I cannot show off.

Rudi, this thread is for the UW Bubble Blowers user group, everyone, all of us enjoy UW imaging and without your comments and excitement it wouldn't be the same, I'm for one excited about when it's available imaging of your new technology and any frame grabs that can be shown. It will be exciting to see any new optics and I wish you the best in creating new optics and the excitement and imaging it creates. I wished Pawel the best earlier in a post congratulating him in his new well made housing, he is very proud of it and should be. Everyone here deserves respect and I hope for everyone to participate and show their imaging and share their ideas, gear, underwater moving and still images from their cameras. We all learn and grow that way.

Best to all,
Frazier