Stuttering image while Panning

[Cüneyt Kaya]

hey guys we have sometimes a stuttering in the image when we pan...
its like as if the image hangs or doesnt moove--hence stutters.

i know its because the paning speed was wrong.

shot 24 fps with 172 degree shutter.

the dop never did shoot digital before, and he has the opinion this strobing is not the same as on 35mm...it doesnt look and feel the same.
he is comfortable with how it looks on 35mm when doing wrong panning speeds, but not on red.

what i want to know...

has someone a link for panning speeds for RED/35 mm.
some easy tricks to avoid it.

can some motion blur in post safe these shots, because they are not usable.

scene: high contrast, high detail

and some links to threads where it was discussed would be cool too.


thanks

kaya

[Cüneyt Kaya]

for you interested too

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18260

and

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17042

[Cüneyt Kaya]

i have to admit, it does look for me different then on 35mm.
the stuttering is not acceptable in high contrast scenes.

red is not film and not video...it combines the best of both world`s...so is there a way to combine this.
reds strobing looks too hard and visible inmho
isnt there a way to cheat the red footage?

[Chris Parker]

this is by far the biggest complaint the DPs that i work with have about RED. and it is really noticeable in high contrast scenes.

i would love to hear some suggestions on how to soften this stuttering effect......

[Stuart English]

this is by far the biggest complaint the DPs that i work with have about RED. and it is really noticeable in high contrast scenes.

i would love to hear some suggestions on how to soften this stuttering effect......

The reason why is because of the high definition video preview output on the RED ONE you can actually see it. I believe that you will find that its exactly the same on film, but you don't see it in the field because you have a relatively low contrast NTSC video tap, and then the dailies tend to be graded.

[J Davis]

Is it a slow pan?.
Did you try converting just that panning shot to a series of TIFFS and then converting it back to a regular codec like uncompressed or prores?

[Sanjin Jukic]

Pan speed you have to learn a lot with shooting film but with S35 sort of digital cinema even more because no any of

existing "previews" can give you an exact feeling how actually it is until you reach a final stage at the postproduction.


Some of the panning quick & dirty examples find here>>>

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Is it a slow pan?.
Did you try converting just that panning shot to a series of TIFFS and then converting it back to a regular codec like uncompressed or prores?

it starts as a slow pan, then gets quicker...

i will try it with the tiffs.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Pan speed you have to learn a lot with shooting film but with S35 sort of digital cinema even more because no any of

existing "previews" can give you an exact feeling how actually it is until you reach a final stage at the postproduction.


Some of panning quick & dirty examples find here>>>

hi sanjin,
thank you for the link,
actually i am not th dp.
the dp knows how to pan and what it will look like on 35mm when breaking that rule.

we did several filmouts to 35mm and it was noticable...
but maybe it was noticable because the attention was there already in the dailies.

red is too sharp:)

[J Davis]

it starts as a slow pan, then gets quicker...

i will try it with the tiffs.

lemme know how it works out