New Lithium Battery Regulations

[Brent@RED]

Please note that as of January 1, 2009, lithium ion batteries over 100Wh are classified as Class 9 Dangerous Goods. RED BRICK batteries are 140Wh and therefore fall into this category. RED must comply with the applicable US domestic and international rules and regulations pertaining to documentation, shipping, and handling procedures. Since there is a Dangerous Goods surcharge for lithium ion batteries added onto the normal cost of shipping, RED will be adding a RED BRICK shipping and handling surcharge on orders including RED BRICKS.

In addition, some countries will not accept any Dangerous Goods shipments with FedEx as the carrier (see http://fedex.com/us/dangerousgoods/ for country list). For these countries, RED will have to engage the services of a different class of shipper (eg, a freight forwarder). If RED cannot use FedEx, please note that there will be increased shipping and handling charges as well as additional processing time to arrange for alternate shipping options.

Unless you have been certified to ship dangerous goods, you must work with a Dangerous Goods, Class 9-certified shipper to assist you with a shipment that includes RED BRICKS (or other regulated lithium ion batteries). Please note that applicable laws prohibit the shipping of batteries that are physically damaged. We urge you to look into the formal rules and regulations of shipping Class 9 Dangerous Goods prior to preparing your shipment. For more information on these regulations, please visit www.iata.org and www.dot.gov .

If you are going to be traveling with your RED BRICKS (or any lithium batteries), please see http://safetravel.dot.gov/larger_batt.html for rules and regulations. As of this post, you do have the ability to carry on BRICKS onto a commercial flight - with limitations, of course.

Again, RED takes these regulations very seriously. We ask you to NEVER ship a RED BRICK back to RED without complying with the same rules and regulations. RMA'ed BRICKS returned to RED without proper steps taken to ensure compliance will NOT be evaluated by RED and may not be returned to the customer. Safety is one of our very top priorities and we hope that you will work with us in this matter.

Thanks and let us know if you have any questions. We will answer what we can - but I highly recommend that you check out the links in this post for yourself to really see how this affects you.

As more information becomes available, I will post on this thread.

RED BOMB SQUAD
www.red.com/contact_us
949.206.7900

[Steve Sherrick]

So it seems according to the latest rules, you could conceivably have 1 of your Red Bricks hooked up to the battery charger and bring two additional bricks with you on the plane. Do I read that correctly.

Good to know about the shipping, thanks Brent!

[Brent@RED]

So it seems according to the latest rules, you could conceivably have 1 of your Red Bricks hooked up to the battery charger and bring two additional bricks with you on the plane. Do I read that correctly.

Good to know about the shipping, thanks Brent!

It would seem so, yes - as long as you don't exceed the maximum amount of total Lithium Ion allowed in the carry-on gear (which three BRICKS would not). We have heard of people traveling with a RED ONE with the BRICK attached to a CRADLE or QUICKPLATE which, in turn, was on the RED RAILS SYSTEM. And, then, two additional BRICKS.

BC

[jbeale]

Safety is one of our very top priorities...

It may not be of immediate use, but you might investigate a future version of the RED BRICK which uses lithium iron phosphate batteries. This is not a direct replacement for a traditional lithium-cobalt type because the cell voltage is only 3.2 V, but it is safe. You can overcharge, short, puncture, and even fire bullets through LiFePO4 cells without causing a fire. The same cannot be said of traditional lithium-ion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium...sphate_battery

Note: the technology is fairly new to commercial use and shipping regulations may not yet acknowledge its relative safety vs. lithium-cobalt, etc. type cells.

[Brent@RED]

Thanks, John. I will pass along to our dev team here.

BC

[Ryan E. Walters]

So it seems according to the latest rules, you could conceivably have 1 of your Red Bricks hooked up to the battery charger and bring two additional bricks with you on the plane. Do I read that correctly.

Good to know about the shipping, thanks Brent!

You can travel with three batteries. I just got back from a trip to Germany and Slovenia- I carried on three 190wh batteries no problem, and no one ever gave me a second glance. However, security was interested in the Red I was carrying, as they did extra testing on that at every airport I went to...

[stephan orlandic]

Please note that as of January 1, 2009, lithium ion batteries over 100Wh are classified as Class 9 Dangerous Goods. RED BRICK batteries are 140Wh and therefore fall into this category. RED must comply with the applicable US domestic and international rules and regulations pertaining to documentation, shipping, and handling procedures. Since there is a Dangerous Goods surcharge for lithium ion batteries added onto the normal cost of shipping, RED will be adding a RED BRICK shipping and handling surcharge on orders including RED BRICKS.

In addition, some countries will not accept any Dangerous Goods shipments with FedEx as the carrier (see http://fedex.com/us/dangerousgoods/ for country list). For these countries, RED will have to engage the services of a different class of shipper (eg, a freight forwarder). If RED cannot use FedEx, please note that there will be increased shipping and handling charges as well as additional processing time to arrange for alternate shipping options.

Unless you have been certified to ship dangerous goods, you must work with a Dangerous Goods, Class 9-certified shipper to assist you with a shipment that includes RED BRICKS (or other regulated lithium ion batteries). Please note that applicable laws prohibit the shipping of batteries that are physically damaged. We urge you to look into the formal rules and regulations of shipping Class 9 Dangerous Goods prior to preparing your shipment. For more information on these regulations, please visit www.iata.org and www.dot.gov .

If you are going to be traveling with your RED BRICKS (or any lithium batteries), please see http://safetravel.dot.gov/larger_batt.html for rules and regulations. As of this post, you do have the ability to carry on BRICKS onto a commercial flight - with limitations, of course.

Again, RED takes these regulations very seriously. We ask you to NEVER ship a RED BRICK back to RED without complying with the same rules and regulations. RMA'ed BRICKS returned to RED without proper steps taken to ensure compliance will NOT be evaluated by RED and may not be returned to the customer. Safety is one of our very top priorities and we hope that you will work with us in this matter.

Thanks and let us know if you have any questions. We will answer what we can - but I highly recommend that you check out the links in this post for yourself to really see how this affects you.

As more information becomes available, I will post on this thread.

RED BOMB SQUAD
www.red.com/contact_us
949.206.7900

A week ago FEDEX France, which is the Fedex center for shipping further to European countries, refused to ship the RED Bricks to Europe,
and they have sent back our BRICKS back to RED.

They were almost scared that it was an exploding device like a bomb
(could You believe that), and that it can't be flying on FEDEX plane in EUROPE.
However, it can go back to the USA, with the FEDEX plane.

Hypocrisy or stupidity ?

Best Regards

Stephan

[Guidofilippi]

Well Brent... if you sign as "Red Bomb Squad" it´s really coherent that the stuff gets a Danger Classification fron the government ... maybe if you change it to Red Technical Assistance or so?

[Guidofilippi]

Hypocrisy or stupidity ?

Both...
Guido

[Petr Dvorak]

yep RED BOMB SQUAD now delivers Class 9 Dangerous Goods :shiftyph34r: