Red and Blue-Ray

[vanguy]

is that $17.5k or $17.5K?

[Joe Aurili]

Yea, I heard a rumor that they could have priced it at $5000, but it would have caused too many nervous breakdowns, so they up the price for the good of mankind.

And the thing I have to keep remembering too, is this is a camera that would easily sell for 3x its price, yet is only $17.5k -- so after all the lenses and stuff, you spend around $50k or maybe a bit more for an entire set-up that in any other circumstance would be $500k or more.

Ho...ly...crap. Red is awesome.

[Greg Voevodsky]

I'd wait for the holographic hard drives to become more affordable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Until then, I'm backing up on 2 or 3 hard drives. :-)

[Häakon]

I'd wait for the holographic hard drives to become more affordable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Until then, I'm backing up on 2 or 3 hard drives. :-)

We've been hearing (and waiting) for these things for years. Not that they won't ever see the light of day, but I'm not holding my breath...

[Vincent Rice]

There is no sensible archiving strategy at the moment that I can see apart from multiple hard drives. Tapes and opticals just don't cut it. Something the whole world is having to come to terms with.

[vanguy]

You can get a 2 TB drive from LaCie for $769 US. I'd guess you'd want about 10 TB to store a feature (100 hours or a 50:1 shooting ratio, to be generous), so double it for safety, and your storage costs are $7690. Shelf space is about the size of a medium beer cooler.

HDCam tape is about $4000 at the cheapest, DCVProHD is about $4900. Double that if you want a backup. HDV is much cheaper, but you don't want to shoot on HDV, do you? And film? About a quarter million. Without processing.

Now if you really want to save, you can buy raw drives for under .25 / GB, which would make your feature storage costs about $5K, with backup.

To save even more money, you could double-backup just the media in the final cut of the show (using the media manager), and single-backup the raw footage, and reuse the drives on the next show. That'd save you almost half. Three years later, it'd be a good idea to rotate your media, copying it to new drives, then rewriting it back. Good work for an intern, copying 20 TB of files.

But it all seems fairly doable to me.

[Joe Aurili]

Have you been looking in my plan file??? ;) Because that is pretty much my back-up plan for now.

You can get a 2 TB drive from LaCie for $769 US. I'd guess you'd want about 10 TB to store a feature (100 hours or a 50:1 shooting ratio, to be generous), so double it for safety, and your storage costs are $7690. Shelf space is about the size of a medium beer cooler.

[vanguy]

Someday there'll be this 73 cent plastic sheet you feed into your printer and it records a hundred terabytes on an 8 1/2 x 11 " sheet, and it does it in 49 seconds, and it lasts for eternity, surviving supernovae and three-year-old drool.

I long for that day.

[Joe Aurili]

And when that comes out I will back-up the HDs to it :)

Someday there'll be this 73 cent plastic sheet you feed into your printer and it records a hundred terabytes on an 8 1/2 x 11 " sheet, and it does it in 49 seconds, and it lasts for eternity, surviving supernovae and three-year-old drool.

I long for that day.

[Rob Lohman]

There is no sensible archiving strategy at the moment that I can see apart from multiple hard drives. Tapes ... just don't cut it. Something the whole world is having to come to terms with.

How do you figure? The IT world has been managing GB's & TB's of data on a daily basis through various systems like tape backups. Complete with automatic tape libraries & robots.

This stuff exists and is reliable. Of course you can backup to either an offline or online hard drive system, but that doesn't have nearly the same track record.

It might be cheaper to store it on drives, but I don't see why tapes "just don't cut it".

How did you think the IT world do their backups?