Plan B if there is a major delay with Red.

[Dan Blanchett]

If those with really low reservation numbers (<100) get their cameras by August, you can always consider renting the RED from them.

For myself, I have an October feature production planned. But since I am producing this project myself, I can push the date if the RED has not shipped. But I won't delay the project indefinitely... if my camera does not ship by December, I will likely look at other options, namely renting a 35mm package. Or I'll go with my original, pre-RED plan, shooting with my buddy's F900. I'd rather shoot with the RED, but I plan to make a good movie either way.

[Gunleik Groven]

Planning to buy the HPX anyway, to fill out the HVX slot. Tons of work there.
The workflow works, pricepoint is ok and customers are happy.

I can use the Red when I have it, be it tomorrow or next year, but for the meantime I'll just chop on my usual DVCPRO HD stick.

I don't want the SI. just because it's a "semi Red" (IMO. no offence, to me it's by far the other very interesting development) - but I can wait for Red as it's not 2/3" if I have other cameras.

Renting.
Wouldn't have been very cost efficient for me this far...
Now I do the rent out... -;)

Gunleik

[Robert Sanders]

Wow, I can't believe you guys would base your project around a piece of gear. I love the idea of the Red and all, but at the end of the day it is just another hammer in your belt. I know a ton of rental houses that will give you a killer deal on some super16 packages. They aren't shooting off the shelves right now.

_mike

Who said anything about planning their productions "around a piece of gear"? We have a start date. The movie will get produced with or without the RED camera.

I'm sorry if our bemoaning the loss of great camera offends you somehow. It's kinda why we're discussing "Plan B", no? What's the best alternative.

[Robert Sanders]

This thread seems like a bit of a fishing expedition. The RED will be ready when it is ready. We are all excited about this camera and we all want it in our hands. I can see how planning to use it based on release dates is tempting, but it's hard to depend on that when they havenot even shipped one unit.

As far as the alternatives go, there really is no alternative. How can you contemplate any other camera when you are looking at RED. There is no other camera with this feature set available. If you are looking at the Panasonic or JVC camera's as your major investment then I believe you might be kicking yourself for years to come. Neither of those camera's are even in the same league.

People in this thread are contemplating this camera to replace a Panavision set up and then others are thinking that an HVX 200 will do the job if they don't buy a RED. Come on.

If you can't wait, go buy your other camera today and end the insanity.

David

A fishing expedition? How so? I don't understand what you're trying to imply here.

I'm not looking at purchasing anything. I will be renting. Whether that was a RED package or an F900 or a Viper. We will not purchase a camera system until sometime in '08.

Again, we thought the RED would be available through our local rental house based on their serial #'s and original posted delivery schedule. That's no longer an option. So Plan B is being discussed.

I don't get why some think this discussion is somehow clandestine or something. And what's wrong with being disappointed at not having access to piece of gear?

[David Battistella]

[QUOTE=Robert Sanders;42461]A fishing expedition? How so? I don't understand what you're trying to imply here.

Robert,

Sometimes these posts feel like they are just made to put pressure on the people making the product. I have found that the RED team is straightforward and honest and they have been very transparent (more so than most major manufacturers. IE: How long did we wait for the HVX 200 with pictures of it with a viel on it etc.) There are a thousand plan b's for a production, I am sure you want to use RED, but if it is not ready, you will find something else.

Again, we thought the RED would be available through our local rental house based on their serial #'s and original posted delivery schedule. That's no longer an option. So Plan B is being discussed.


Great. There are many options out there and they are being discussed in this thread. The way it reads to me is that it is a bit of a machiavellian way of telling the makers of RED that everyone is discussing other options because so much is being made of the recent report of an engineering delay. I mean, this is the RED forum. Why not go to an HVX or F900 or HDXCAM forum to discuss how to implement their equipment into the production. People have barely given them a week to come up with their PLAN B.

I don't get why some think this discussion is somehow clandestine or something. And what's wrong with being disappointed at not having access to piece of gear?


Nothing. We all want the RED in our hands, including me. I'm not sure that spilling ink is going to make it happen any faster. If you can't use RED, then use something else. Viper, Super 16, 25, Panavision, F900, HDX900, Varicam. Everybody knows the options out there.

David

[David Battistella]

Sorry having to say it, but this in an opinion only one can make if he´s either financially independant or does filmproduction as a hobby.
There are lots of us who have to work and earn their money while waintin for Red to deliver.
That´s normal, not more, not less.
And I don´t know what your problem is when we speak about temporary "replacements", this is the forum for reservation holders and future buyers and where else can we discuss a problem that connects those groups of people if not here?

Red is going to be the big thing, there´s little doubt in it. So cool down and make your suggestion to the thread, otherwise...you know, there are more threads out here.

I can't believe you are telling me to cool down. Not sure what I said to offend anyone. All I did was praise the camera. If you can not wait for it, then buy something else to make your living.

David

[Sanjin Jukic]

I do not have plan B. I have plan A and C. Plan A is that I had reservation for the RED ONE when ever camera start to ship. The C is actually to not have any reserve plan expect to have main plan A. Yes OR no to have an alternative. Or to decide simply not to have any alternative. Why? All that means to skip plan B, get in plan C and return to plan A. No B. It is all about to be safe and confident. If you don't believe it just give up and do not mess it HERE. Hope you would understand.

[Gunleik Groven]

I'll just dare to quote Jim here from the "news" thread over at "RedOne" forum:
This thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...2478#post42478

Jay,

Notes like this one do matter. And we are trying to get everything done as quickly as possible. But we have been very careful to say that the schedule could change at any minute becuase this is such a difficult trick. Given that, everyone should naturally have a contingency plan for their projects... and hope they don't need them.

Jim

And thus I havn't made my work dependant on Red untill it's here and I have worked with it so that I know how to or who can handle it.

There's other cameras, and none as promising as Red.
Thus I ordered Red.

There are other cameras I can pick up and make some money with in the meantime, and thus I do...

No offense. No preasure on Jim and the team (as if I was the one to put them under preasure -;) just life. And my living.

I have even stated _before_ the announced delay, that I'd rather be a paying betatester, than NOT having access to it, if I could.

So, this thread - IMHO - consists of musing around how we wait, rather than any disbelief.

If someone have a gig tomorrow, they'd better pick up something else, or get into another line of business...

I cannot see how that's offensive -;)

Cheers!

Gunleik

[Ralph Oshiro]

Plan B: Sony DSR450 + InstantHD

[David Battistella]

I'll just dare to quote Jim here from the "news" thread over at "RedOne" forum:
This thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...2478#post42478



And thus I havn't made my work dependant on Red untill it's here and I have worked with it so that I know how to or who can handle it.

There's other cameras, and none as promising as Red.
Thus I ordered Red.

There are other cameras I can pick up and make some money with in the meantime, and thus I do...

No offense. No preasure on Jim and the team (as if I was the one to put them under preasure -;) just life. And my living.

I have even stated _before_ the announced delay, that I'd rather be a paying betatester, than NOT having access to it, if I could.

So, this thread - IMHO - consists of musing around how we wait, rather than any disbelief.

If someone have a gig tomorrow, they'd better pick up something else, or get into another line of business...

I cannot see how that's offensive -;)

Cheers!

Gunleik

Here, here. Nice eloquent post.

David