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  1. #1 Any news on hot-swap battery plate (not dual)? 
    There was a thread back in May where it was mentioned that a third party was working on a new battery plate that would integrate a small secondary battery that would give you a few seconds of power, enough to hot swap batteries with rebooting. Jarred posted that Red was also looking into it.
    http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...ery#post213813

    Has any progress been made on this, either by Red or 3rd parties?

    I know there are now several dual-plate adapter options available, but I'm looking for a lightweight solution.

    In fact, while I really hope to upgrade to Epic or Scarlet once they become available, I'm trying to live as much as possible in the present and to improve the Red One which is working today and delivering fantastic images. There are still many ways the R1 can still be improved (thanks RED for the new firmwares, keep'em coming!), and this would be a really good one!
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    I would love a solution where you could temporarily clamp a second Element Technica Aluminum Battery Interface with SpeedyClamp onto the rail.

    Pull some Kamikaze ninja maneuver while you hot swap batteries on your original battery plate.

    Remove the temporary battery and you're back to the lightweight config


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    Quote Originally Posted by Curran Giddens View Post
    I would love a solution where you could temporarily clamp a second Element Technica Aluminum Battery Interface with SpeedyClamp onto the rail.

    Pull some Kamikaze ninja maneuver while you hot swap batteries on your original battery plate.

    Remove the temporary battery and you're back to the lightweight config
    You can do that today.

    At the request of Off Hollywood, Abel made up a batch of "Suicide Cables," which have male P-Tap connectors on both ends. The idea is to take a battery plate with a fresh battery on it and plug it into the P-Tap port on your active camera battery plate and then swap that battery. The juice from the hot battery will power your camera during the swap. The only issue is feeding hot power into hot power, with the danger of a tiny arc between contact pins and 28.8v of power suddenly feeding instead of 14.4v. In reality this is almost impossible to have happen as the batteries are in parallel not series, but that's why I chose to call it a Suicide Cable. I believe that Birns & Sawyer made something similar that they refer to as a Warranty Buster, which is perhaps more to the point.

    Anyway, a bunch of clients use these every day without incident, but they are definitely use at your own risk.
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    I made one of these but I DID fry a battery sled during a humid Honda shoot in the LA river. My solution was to put a switch inline. Plug in off, switch on, swap battery, switch off, unplug.
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    F.Y.I., Abel is selling them for about $175 which is really steep in my opinion.. Especially since we're talking around $60 in parts. I would have bought one if it was cheaper

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Gross View Post
    You can do that today.

    At the request of Off Hollywood, Abel made up a batch of "Suicide Cables," which have male P-Tap connectors on both ends. The idea is to take a battery plate with a fresh battery on it and plug it into the P-Tap port on your active camera battery plate and then swap that battery. The juice from the hot battery will power your camera during the swap. The only issue is feeding hot power into hot power, with the danger of a tiny arc between contact pins and 28.8v of power suddenly feeding instead of 14.4v. In reality this is almost impossible to have happen as the batteries are in parallel not series, but that's why I chose to call it a Suicide Cable. I believe that Birns & Sawyer made something similar that they refer to as a Warranty Buster, which is perhaps more to the point.

    Anyway, a bunch of clients use these every day without incident, but they are definitely use at your own risk.
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    I was hoping for a more integrated solution, not one that necessitates to carry around extra cable, battery plate and battery. This seems to be an acceptable solution for studio work or features, but not so interesting for one-man location work.
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  8. #8 Solution for sale 
    Hi guys,

    I have been onto this form day one since I couldn't imagine a feature film team standing waiting for a camera to boot for an hour daily...

    We run our RED's of powerblocks - I need three of them to last 14h.
    Onboard lightweight batteries BRIDGE while separating body form power block.

    All you do is plug your onboard in when disconnecting (little green led indicates connection) and unplug when back on power block.

    That's one of the many work-arounds we developed to get a performance level out of this camera that is simply needed

    If anyone wanted to buy such a system please send me an email to:
    volker@vastvalley.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven-Marc View Post
    There was a thread back in May where it was mentioned that a third party was working on a new battery plate that would integrate a small secondary battery that would give you a few seconds of power, enough to hot swap batteries with rebooting. Jarred posted that Red was also looking into it.
    http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...ery#post213813

    Has any progress been made on this, either by Red or 3rd parties?

    I know there are now several dual-plate adapter options available, but I'm looking for a lightweight solution.
    I heard this rumour & enquired about it with Element Technica back in September (I don't think I'm out or order revealing that?). They confirmed they were developing it but that it was quite complicated and was taking longer than they'd hoped for. This bit of gear would be one of the final jigsaw pieces for making the Red a good, competitive shooting option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Darge View Post
    F.Y.I., Abel is selling them for about $175 which is really steep in my opinion.
    I'd be happy to pay more than $175 if there was a built-in on/off switch.

    hmm ... this thread feels like déjà vu....

    http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...469#post292469


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