View Poll Results: Which cameras color do you prefer form the Full Frame Cinema Shootout 2020

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    54 73.97%
  • 2

    2 2.74%
  • 3

    9 12.33%
  • 4

    2 2.74%
  • 5

    0 0%
  • 6

    1 1.37%
  • 7

    3 4.11%
  • 8

    1 1.37%
  • 9

    1 1.37%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Yuan-Vogel View Post
    Ah yes, but can't they all be graded or even just LUTted for nearly any color rendering you want? The over under definitely gives away a lot since each camera has a known highlight range at "native ISO" that is arbitrarily set by the manufacturer. Camera tests are always so interesting since there are many different approaches. Thanks for all the work and for sharing it.
    They absolutely can be graded together but each camera still has a signature I find comes through, any one shot or set up might hive slightly different tonal or color differences that might make you choose one over the other. For instance I like two different cameras between the daytime and night work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Yuan-Vogel View Post
    So do we know what's up with the FPs black level flickering? Maybe an artifact of insufficient cooling and black balancing and recording it to a cDNG stack?
    This has been fixed in the latest firmware apparently. We didn't have that when we were shooting.
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    Can you list the different creative luts you used on the different cameras?
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    Damn, number 1 just looks stunning. 8 is my favourite as well. Thanks for the test, sir.
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    This has been fixed in the latest firmware apparently. We didn't have that when we were shooting.
    Great Test Evin, thank you.

    Yes the current fp firmware has fixed this and they have been super attentive to other issues and requests. I grabbed one as a quick B cam because of the size and i'm blown away by the results. Benefits of full RAW and no compression give a nice solid image. The only thing i'd say is because it's 'generic' cDNG then there is no one workflow that does it all and i've found that working with the RAW images under an IPP2 workflow in Resolve yields very very nice results and a good match to Red footage - albeit with at least 2 stops less range.

    You can spot the sigma in hand held because it's too light to hold, needs rigging and weighing down!

    When comparing these you have to bear in mind how much the sigma is.

    5 has an odd black curve where it's crushing the very very shadow part.

    All of them look really good though...

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    Heh. Fingerprints are tough to cleanup sometimes.

    Outside of color response, I think more interesting is the subtle differences in the tone mapping between each of these.
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    The #1 is clearly better in every way, good or bad scenarios, but I like the #3 in ideal conditions. #3 skintone are bright and pleasing, and the colors reproduction is just perfect.
    Never the less, as a camera operator, I would choose #1 to be able to handle every scenario, but as a director who'd like to shoot only with good conditions, I would definitly choose #3, for the colors.

    btw, I'm amazed at how good they all are in ideal scenarios. It's mostly a matter of taste.

    The difference in over/under exposure on the 7 is so weird. Really good in over, just average under.
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    Very nice test! Thanks!

    Did you compensate the -6 stops underexposed .R3D footage with ISO or with a normal exposure adjustment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Bichler View Post
    Very nice test! Thanks!

    Did you compensate the -6 stops underexposed .R3D footage with ISO or with a normal exposure adjustment?
    Is there a difference? Exposure/FLUT is the same as iso isn't it?
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