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    Quote Originally Posted by rand thompson View Post
    .Arx single frames work fine.
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    This is very strange..
    The traffic lights on RED showed no clipping up to f5.6 !!
    While on Alexa Mini Lf the tools showed me the clipping limit at T8.
    I shot on REd T8 / 11/16 and with surprise the RED bulb shows some imperfections on the outline !!! ... I had to go down to T16 to get it all back then - 2 stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luigivaltulini View Post


    Perfect!
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    To me more interesting to compare cameras when both are exposed correctly, like if they both have the highlight a stop under clip or such.
    "A stop under clip" doesn't show DR handling relation between cameras.

    Same exposure and paralel ramping stops does.
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    Just can't get that same look as Monstro.

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    Here's one you can try for fun.

    When exposing w/ Monstro versus the LF, in particular in these side by side sort of setups instead of rating at ISO 800, try 1280 and 1600. Even 2000 is worth a stab w/ the Standard OLPF you are using.

    All things being equal that will give you what you want in the highlights and still be cleaner in the shadows when finishing to 4K and 2K.


    This is the old "Dragon trick" many DPs started to utilize in the DSCM Dragon days because they figured out it was a cleaner image and once discovering metering and exposure in relationship to ISO Rating provided more information for the highlights, they ran with it. Which is why some films were shot at higher than ISO 800.
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    Thanks Phil for the Advice! I was leaving everything at ISO 800 and just using custom luminance curves. I'll try a higher ISO .
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    Quote Originally Posted by rand thompson View Post
    Thanks Phil for the Advice! I was leaving everything at ISO 800 and just using custom luminance curves. I'll try a higher ISO .
    It's more about how the image is exposed in camera.

    A better/easier way to think of it if you are exposing correctly at 18% Gray

    Try:
    - Alexa LF at ISO 800 at whatever T Stop
    - RED Monstro 8K VV at ISO 1600 w/ 0.3 ND at the same T Stop

    So much of this is really about where information lands and exposure logic.
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    @Rand, I think Phil means higher ISO at the moment you expose for the scene, when you decide how much light will hit the sensor.

    Edit: sorry, didn't see Phil's response.
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    Jacob,


    Yeah, I always grade red footage at 800 ISO and use luminance curve/contrast-pivot/and Log shadow to give it contrast. I actually thought for minute that Phil meant after the fact. I'm straighten out now...hahaha.
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