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    Current DSMC2 DRAGON-X Customers Upgrade to 6K Today. Is an upgrade planned for your gemini ?

    Diagonal: 34.5 mm size Sensor - 19.4 Megapixel CMOS - MAX FRAME RATES1 100fps

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    Injustice for wat ?

    On Gemini we got bigger pixels on the sensor that the Dragon X, I prefer that instead of resolution.
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    Here we go again with the entitlement
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    I don't understand this.

    The Gemini is a better and taller sensor, even at 5K.

    Having an improved RED lineup is better for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    I don't understand this.

    The Gemini is a better and taller sensor, even at 5K.

    Having an improved RED lineup is better for everyone.
    my problem is the resolution is not full frame at more slow motion and megapixel height
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesut Tuncar View Post
    my problem is the resolution is not full frame at more slow motion and megapixel height
    I can only comment on the frame rate quibble.

    That's due to the general sensor design as well as the camera itself. In the RED world, at the moment and how it's been, the vertical resolution is the limiting factor to the maximum frame rate of the given sensor.

    That's how at 5K FF on Gemini you have the same frame rates of Monstro and Dragon at 5K FF, though you have a physically larger format size:
    http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/...rmatB=5K%20FF&

    Gemini is "built" to be Super 35mm format size swiss army knife. Larger FF format than S35, but very much ideal for every actual S35 format size.

    If you are looking for a larger format in width, Monstro is the physically widest sensor that is actually available to own in the digital cinema camera space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Holland View Post
    I can only comment on the frame rate quibble.

    That's due to the general sensor design as well as the camera itself. In the RED world, at the moment and how it's been, the vertical resolution is the limiting factor to the maximum frame rate of the given sensor.

    That's how at 5K FF on Gemini you have the same frame rates of Monstro and Dragon at 5K FF, though you have a physically larger format size:
    http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/...rmatB=5K%20FF&

    Gemini is "built" to be Super 35mm format size swiss army knife. Larger FF format than S35, but very much ideal for every actual S35 format size.

    If you are looking for a larger format in width, Monstro is the physically widest sensor that is actually available to own in the digital cinema camera space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesut Tuncar View Post
    my problem is the resolution is not full frame at more slow motion and megapixel height
    That's true for all RED cameras, and has nothing todo with Dragon X going 6K.

    RED's slow mo is determined by resolution - ie every camera can do 120fps @ 4K, but that of course leads to different crop factors depending on the sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    That's true for all RED cameras, and has nothing todo with Dragon X going 6K.

    RED's slow mo is determined by resolution - ie every camera can do 120fps @ 4K, but that of course leads to different crop factors depending on the sensor.

    I hope one day we can do slow motion without the crop :(:(
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    Now that we've successfully removed all meaning from the word "injustice", can we go ahead and delete this pointless thread? Thanks.
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