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    I need a laptop that is quite light weight and can offload media in the field.
    Would be nice if it can also review videos when the need arises (this of course uses MUCH more battery).

    Looking a bit at Apple MacBook Pro because they have good battery and are well built. Just wondering can it playback 1/4 res of 8k files or is that too much for it?

    Problem with the gaming style laptops with Nvidia cards is they usually have horrible battery power.
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    I just tested my Mac book Pro 2017 - 2.8GHZ i7 16GB Ram - Radeon Pro 555 2GB and it plays 5K Gemini Files with 1/4 res.

    I don't have any 8K files on my laptop at the moment to test.
    But if you really need the playback redcine-x does buffer, so you can let it preload, and then playback.
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    I have the new 2019 MacBook Pro 15" 1TB SSD, 2.4 ghz 8-Core I9, 32gb ram, Radeon Pro Vega 20 4gb and edit with Samsung T5 and the new X5 external SSD's I can playback full-res Gemini 5k files in FCPX with little hiccup.
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    Im sure 1/4 and 8bit plays fine with the right discs.
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    Anyone tried the Lenovo Thinkpad range?
    https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops.../p/22WS2WPP102

    They have a Quadro T2000 4GB that should be a bit faster than the vega 20 in Apple. I would think the Quadro will be much faster in Redcine as well since it is Nvidia.
    The Lenovo range seem to be one of the few PC laptops that are really well built as well.

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    Hi guys thanks for all the thoughts.

    For those that have the newer Macbook Pro. Would it be possible to download an 8k video and test the playback.
    I know from using Red Epic 5k files, that 5k files are a LOT easier to playback than 8K. It is not only that the computation needs are higher but there also seem to put a strain on memory transport.

    https://www.red.com/sample-r3d-files

    Björn, the harddrives are mainly important if you are skimming in the timeline, then the read speed can go up all the way to 2000MB/s. However when you playback it is rarely more than 200MB/s which any SSD can handle.

    The benefits I see with Apple is:
    - Very well built. This is the biggest problem with all PC laptops, I do not trust the build quality of most of them.
    - very reliable
    - strong power in USB, this can be a problem with driving 4TB SSD, not all laptops can handle it

    Downsides
    - no Nvidia GPU so far slower with everything Red.
    - I do not like their format on harddrives since we use PC for everything else
    - expensive

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    I have the latest maxed out MacBook and playing back 8K Red files at quarter quality decode doesn't skip a beat using the Screen App.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gundu View Post
    I have the latest maxed out MacBook and playing back 8K Red files at quarter quality decode doesn't skip a beat using the Screen App.

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    That is interesting Bob. Will check it out. How does it playback in Redcine?

    So the limitations will be like this
    AMD
    CPU is the main limitation
    After that the GPU

    Nvidia
    CPU does not really matter in Redcine
    GPU does all the work. 1080 GTX can easily playback half debayer. Almost fullres, I got 20-22fps on 1080 GTX.

    I readup about the Sony Lenovo. Quite nice GPUs. T2000. However apperently almost no cooling so the cpu will clock down a LOT after just a few seconds. Poor cooling is always a problem, but then the Macbook Pros will have problems with cooling too.

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    1/4 in Redcine plays as well without hiccups.


    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasOberg View Post
    That is interesting Bob. Will check it out. How does it playback in Redcine?

    So the limitations will be like this
    AMD
    CPU is the main limitation
    After that the GPU

    Nvidia
    CPU does not really matter in Redcine
    GPU does all the work. 1080 GTX can easily playback half debayer. Almost fullres, I got 20-22fps on 1080 GTX.

    I readup about the Sony Lenovo. Quite nice GPUs. T2000. However apperently almost no cooling so the cpu will clock down a LOT after just a few seconds. Poor cooling is always a problem, but then the Macbook Pros will have problems with cooling too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gundu View Post
    1/4 in Redcine plays as well without hiccups.
    I'll have to disagree with Bob on this one. On my setup, only 1/8 plays without hiccups. 1/4 eventually catches up and freezes a bit. Tested this last night on my 15", 2.4GHz, 8-Core Intel Core i9 with 32GB 2400MHz DDR4, with Radeon Pro Vega 20 4GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536MB and 4TB SSD.

    One caveat might be the compression used. I was using the RED sample file: w8kvv-sth-24fps-4to1redcode_FF and perhaps that was slowing it down more than what he tried. What sort of compression were you using Bob?
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