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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    Even if this were the case (it’s not), do you think RED is sleazy for actually doing just that?
    No I don't and I retracted that already. However...they are milking it on the second thought. Why not put the locking EF mount as standard on camera instead of the non locking one? They charge $2200 extra for the locking one? It does not cost that much more to make it and locking mount is the de facto cine standard. I suspect Canon USA had that idea....Of course it's their prerogative but they should face some consequences of that blatantly greedy decision...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Timmons View Post
    One thing I do like about this camera is the ability to have 4 XLR inputs.
    It helps with certain shoot situations and I’ve used this ability several times on my Red One MX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Holland View Post
    Just reread the patent, which I now have bookmarked because it's light bedtime reading these days as it comes up every other day. The patent calls out SATA, IDE, USB 2.0, etc. But more importantly stipulates "without limitation". We know nothing, but perhaps there's some love between RED and Canon we aren't aware of even.
    It doesn't look the be love between RED and Canon, the compression ratio is also below 6:1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacek Zakowicz View Post
    No I don't and I retracted that already. However...they are milking it on the second thought. Why not put the locking EF mount as standard on camera instead of the non locking one? They charge $2200 extra for the locking one? It does not cost that much more to make it and locking mount is the de facto cine standard. I suspect Canon USA had that idea....Of course it's their prerogative but they should face some consequences of that blatantly greedy decision...
    I'm with you there. A non-locking mount shouldn't even exist on a camera of this caliber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacek Zakowicz View Post
    No I don't and I retracted that already. However...they are milking it on the second thought. Why not put the locking EF mount as standard on camera instead of the non locking one? They charge $2200 extra for the locking one? It does not cost that much more to make it and locking mount is the de facto cine standard. I suspect Canon USA had that idea....Of course it's their prerogative but they should face some consequences of that blatantly greedy decision...
    What? It's still bad logic (retraction or not); if it didn't have a mount you'd think Canon is sleazy for doing something that RED have been doing on a regular basis (and more aggressively) since DSMC1. Hell, you literally can't even turn on a DSMC2 camera without a $2000 module... can't attach a lens without a $700 mount... can't control the camera without at least a $1k sidehandle (or more expensive touch screen). They're milking it for the same reason that RED charged so much more for the Titanium mount vs Aluminium mount or charges 6x~10x the price of the mSATA drives inside of the redmags. Did you voice your concerns about RED? Did RED "face consequences" for their “blatantly greedy” decisions?

    By comparison, shouldn't you be happy Canon is including a mount, a battery plate, industry standard IO, XLR, internal ND, AC-in, buttons/control, etc.?

    Honestly, I don't mean to call you out, I'm just curious how you're reconciling that double-think.

    On paper the C500mk2 is a really good camera (but not great). It's FF35, greater than 4k, internal raw+decent codec, has Dual-Pixel AF, has great media options, and is "only" $16k. Tbh, I think BMD is positioning themselves better, but I definitely don't think Canon is going outside of the status quo with their (optional) locking mount.
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    Just a point about the mounts. I think the general accessories appear to be priced well within the tier and they are mostly molded plastic exteriors, the mount pricing is a bit mysterious in the face of everything else, but those are of course high precision metal work. I don't know why they truly wouldn't go with the locking mount from the get go, but it was likely to keep entry costs down and/or increase profits towards those who need that. PL as well is a chunk different than the other accessories.

    But I'll focus on the pros here. For those who want this camera, it does have interchangeable mounts rather than buying a dedicated EF or PL model. That's a good thing. Likely opens the doors for 3rd party mounts too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Holland View Post
    ... but perhaps there's some love between RED and Canon we aren't aware of even.
    Cough cough RF MOUNT cough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Parkes View Post
    Looks pretty compelling for doco work.
    Looks pretty compelling for just about every kind of work.

    (Spec-wise at least) there's nothing out there that comes anywhere near this at this price range. Large format, high resolution - its closest competitor is Canon's own C700 FF (at twice the price), and after that you've got Monstro, Venice and Arri's LFs at 3-4 times the price. It's got A-camera specs at a corporate/doco-camera price.

    The 5-steps of internal ND gives it the 2nd best setup out there (behind the Venice).

    The only glaring issue I can see is power distribution for accessories. The module that adds a v-mount does a poor job of addressing that. Hopefully we'll see more streamlined module that adds power distro (and perhaps another SDI output or two). If not from Canon themselves, I'm sure we'll see something tidy from one of the accessories manufacturers.

    On paper this is a REALLY appealing machine. I'm really quite taken with the idea of it.
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    It's been a really interesting couple of months with new camera release: Black Magic Pocket 6K, this, and rumours are floating there will be a successor to the FS7 very soon which is likely to be 6k too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh Birch View Post
    It's been a really interesting couple of months with new camera release: Black Magic Pocket 6K, this, and rumours are floating there will be a successor to the FS7 very soon which is likely to be 6k too.
    How many people are actually shooting and using 6K footage. Or better yet, how often does a client say you "Oh, and I want it delivered in 6K, else you're not getting paid !"
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