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    It would appear the embargo has lifted.


    https://www.cinema5d.com/canon-c500-...dular-concept/

    https://www.redsharknews.com/product...midrange-price

    https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/09/...-c500-mark-ii/

    *edit, I've added it to my PHFX | tools formatCompare

    Stuff you want to know:

    - Same sensor as the C700 (though they say newly developed at the same time, likely some improvements)
    - Max FPS @ Max Format = 5.9K @ 60p
    - Codecs: Canon Raw Lite, XF-AVC 4:2:2 10-bit (at 4K and 2K resolutions only) - No ProRes or DNxHR
    - Media: 2X CFexpress slots and an SD card slot
    - Lens Mounts: Comes with EF, separate interchangeable Cine EF and PL available
    - 5-axis image stabilizer
    - Internal Timecode
    - 12G-SDI 4K Out
    - A bit more moodular, removable EVF for instance and "Extension Units" to expand out to V-Mount or compact Genlock.

    Other than that the regular C series stuff.

    Price: Around $16,000 USD projected
    Release Date: January 2020
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    2X RED Monstro 8K VV Bodies and a lot of things to use with them.

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    Competition is always a good thing for the customer. The big advantage all these major manufacturers have is the support, at least here in Europe. Canon support really rocks here.

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    For those not fully tuned in, about a 2 days ago Sandisk announced their new Extreme PRO CFexpress Card Type B line (64, 128, 256, and 512GB). If I was a betting man, the new Sony announcement will also feature CFexpress because Type B seems to have been hammered out very, very recently. Likely launched a new line of Type B cards too. It was announced in February, but appears that it's coming to cameras in 2020. More or less 6-ish months later than expected, but nonetheless here. As far as I know the newer cards will likely top out at 1TB.

    I'll need to do th math on Canon Raw Lite, but I think the max data rate is around 260-ish MB/s at 5.9K. Sort of RED data rate territory, like Monstro 6K FF around 3:1 REDCODE RAW.
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    Looks like targeting the Gemini Market...
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    Looks pretty compelling for doco work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Parkes View Post
    Looks pretty compelling for doco work.

    By "doco" do you guys mean unscripted work and not literally work on documentaries? Because these mid-range cameras such as the C300 and Fs7 do all sorts of work. They do the 95% of video production that RED cameras and ARRI cameras are not used for. They are the work-horses of the industry and not a specialty camera. RED and ARRI are more specialty or "niche" cameras than the Canon and Sony cameras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John David Pope View Post
    By "doco" do you guys mean unscripted work and not literally work on documentaries? Because these mid-range cameras such as the C300 and Fs7 do all sorts of work. They do the 95% of video production that RED cameras and ARRI cameras are not used for. They are the work-horses of the industry and not a specialty camera. RED and ARRI are more specialty or "niche" cameras than the Canon and Sony cameras.
    It's compelling for all sorts of work totally. But in particular in terms of a use case if you were deciding on an A-Cam for an upcoming documentary series or feature and were considering what is out there right now and what is announced and coming down the pike - this would be a pretty compelling option to have on your radar given its benefits.

    All sorts of cameras are used for every kind of production - when I say compelling I mean that it would compel someone to consider moving systems or plan a work flow around it rather than just make a decision based on availability, familiarity and price/performance.

    In comparison to RED cameras it might be the case that this becomes a lot more compelling in some arenas - although for documentary wildlife I'd think RED's flexibility with higher end frame rate options are still a bit of a killer feature for many.

    I don't mean to damn with faint praise - every camera at every budget level should be investigated to see if it offers particular advantages to a production. But in the feature / high end VOD documentary sphere I think this camera will likely have people rushing to put it through its paces when it hits the actual wild, general EFP productions might consider the upgrade if its on their road map and narrative productions will check it out but not necessarily find it quite as compelling as sticking to rental packages they are already confirtable with.

    It suggests itself as a fantastic camera - period - but thinking of the productions I deal with (mostly from a post supervision and production workflow approach - which is all that can be considered until actual pictures are seen) doco productions are likely to feel incredibly well catered to at first glance in particular - hence the comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Parkes View Post
    Looks pretty compelling for doco work.
    Looks pretty compelling for just about every kind of work.

    (Spec-wise at least) there's nothing out there that comes anywhere near this at this price range. Large format, high resolution - its closest competitor is Canon's own C700 FF (at twice the price), and after that you've got Monstro, Venice and Arri's LFs at 3-4 times the price. It's got A-camera specs at a corporate/doco-camera price.

    The 5-steps of internal ND gives it the 2nd best setup out there (behind the Venice).

    The only glaring issue I can see is power distribution for accessories. The module that adds a v-mount does a poor job of addressing that. Hopefully we'll see more streamlined module that adds power distro (and perhaps another SDI output or two). If not from Canon themselves, I'm sure we'll see something tidy from one of the accessories manufacturers.

    On paper this is a REALLY appealing machine. I'm really quite taken with the idea of it.
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    Can't wait to see what Sony has to offer.
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    Sandisk mislabeled their new CFExpress cards as CFast 2.0 on the product page. I guess someone didn't have their coffee that morning.
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