Epic render...

[Peter Majtan]

Now Joseph, based on the sexual preferences of Jim (and the "company") this might actually be considered a "bad attitude"... :)

Just kidding of course...

[Michael Ragen]

Just wanted to chime in and say I'm very happy it will be possible to remove the controls off the back of the camera. Will it be able to double as an mp3 player? Just please don't make a backup control cost 10k.
I also like the idea of a v-mount that goes in its place on the back for the battery.
And I'll put in my vote for moving the power connectors, they get in my way constantly on my R1 when shooting off the ground and shooting handheld.
I would also like to see a way to plug in the evf closer to where it will mostly live so the cable doesn't have to be wrapped around the top handle and getting snagged on stuff.
Next year's gonna be exciting... not that this year wasn't.

[mezmo]

Wow I long for the day when I can hoist an ergonomic BL4 with a Cooke 18-100 on my shoulder again. With a 400' magazine that was what only 75 Lbs? And then the A.C. was holding the block or belt battery?

Or the ARRI III which they actually had to invent special "hand held mags" after the fact just to make it ergonomic? Not to mention the fact that the ARRI III was almost useless until Cinematography Electronics came out with their electronic baseplate that actually let you dial in digital speeds?

Has anyone here actually been an A.C. with a BL 1 or 2 with the blimped housings? I did, it sucked ass. Separate strips for every lens zoom and focus that you had to slide in to the outer rings of a housing that was only there because the camera threw so much noise out the front of the camera that you couldn't shoot sync sound in a studio without it.

The ARRI 2C was without a registration pin. The animation guys did not trust the single side pull down and reg pin of the ARRI III. The BL was heavy as crap and noisy and with the BL3 onward Clairmont Camera had to modify theirs themselves with a pitch control to reduce noise. There have been so many after market mods on the biggest part of ARRI's history it is mind boggling.

I kind of hit this point in the thread where I realize most people here have not had a full ARRI experience. How about the 535-A? Takes 2 grips just to lift the bugger onto the dolly, had some really iffy electronics in the beginning also that almost sunk some L.A. rental houses with some long term customers. The 435? Great camera, still has the ergonomics of a Arii III still an MOS camera.

My point is RED is on their second and third camera body and considering all of this ARRI ergonomic input and comparing a camera company with 2 years experience and a company with 91 years and - seemingly - only making cameras you like for the last 10 - maybe you should cut RED some slack. Isn't ARRI glad they did not listen to user input.

Why are there not these comparisons to the Genesis? The Millennium or the Platinum. Big as heck and heavy. In the day the Panavison was THE only quiet camera for sync sound. But most people couldn't afford to rent them.

It took ARRI 80 years to make film cameras that you like. I don't know how well the digital side of the company is going.

I have had a couple of shoots recently, one with an EMMY award D.P., another with and OSCAR award D.P. - they loved the camera in general, some small critiques. When it came time to hand held they (or the operator) threw a pad on their shoulder put the battery on long rods behind them and shot. The images looked great and we did the job. The operators on these projects had some or no RED experience but all mentioned they hoped the RED would be picked over larger 2/3" competitors because the digital mags on those cameras were so top heavy that they could not keep the horizon level.

If you are dealing with people that have lots of old fart experience, I guess like me, they really like - even the current version of the camera. I just wanted to inject some real history into this discussion.

Hi Briferg,
Real history ?
The Arri 2A,2B and later 2c's with 200' mag on top 3 lenses in a rotating
mount 18 volt motor in hand and REFLEX VIEWING SYSTEM made for Mr Hitler's WW2 was a very fine camera for it's time and is still used today.
I think Arri got it right first time out here.
No one waited 80 years for an Arri they liked.
The 16 BL and 35BL 1 replaced things like the Blimped Mitchell NC and
the Arricord, a 2C with 35mm Mag Film Recorder in one blimp. Both these
cameras the size of a small house with a camera living inside.
I know as I had to drag these things on set as a very young boy.
Arri changed all this and changed camera design forever with the BL cameras. The 16BL like RED had a high COG, the SR1 lowered this then the Aaton LTR went one better in ergo design. The 35BL's all had good COG to
my mind, and compared to a Mitchell BNCR or PVSR or blimped Camaflex
at the time they were hot stuff untill the Panaflex arrived.
In this Digital era I'm surprised camera design with low COG and good
ergonomics is such a big issue. To me having the sensor,lens mount and
optical block (if needed) lockable or detachable to the electronics or
board stacks as Jim calls them and an ability to "break" the camera for
hand held, rig mounting, work and "glue" the camera back up for studio style production work would be the way to go. And doable as shown with
the P&S designed SI2K. Is this not the big advantage of Digital, a system
not locked into a film gate and film transport.
The RED high COG house brick design may be cheap to produce but will
always date the camera for a lot of old fart Arri users.
Cheers Mezmo

[Aron Cohen]

Earlier in this thread I saw that some people ask for relatively minor changes in the newly presented EPIC body. But I thought for a moment and remembered that not so long ago somewhere on this sub-forum I read a post by Jim where he states that EPIC's (or Scarlet's? Can't remember...) designs, which we see in these renders, are not final AT ALL. If I'm not mistaken he wrote something like they post renders that are inaccurate so they won't be copied before the product is released.

If this was not an actual post and I am getting insane, sorry for any inconvenience...

[Jannard]

We will only two generations earlier than we are at any given point in time.

Jim