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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Perez View Post
    I wouldn’t mind paying 1000+ for light iron’s luts and olpf combo.
    This is Panavision's whole business model. Create something that's exclusive, that people really want and then make it rental only.

    By the way, no one literally makes their own sensors. Even Sony's camera devisions are distinct customers of the Sony sensor fab plants. There are only a very few sensor fab companies that can make these sensors and most of them are companies you've never heard of. What matters is the design itself which is the IP of the company placing the order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David J. Buchanan View Post
    The bodies or the sensors? I think he's saying something different.
    Indeed I was talking about something totally different.

    I was talking about the sensor. RED doesn't make the sensor. They order from somebody else most likely. ARRI also doesn't make their own sensor. Very few companies make their own sensor. From all the camera companies I think Sony is the only one which makes their own sensor. But even them, for being such a large company, you can say another company under their umbrella and also named Sony makes the sensor for the camera division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike S. View Post
    Indeed I was talking about something totally different.

    I was talking about the sensor. RED doesn't make the sensor. They order from somebody else most likely. ARRI also doesn't make their own sensor. Very few companies make their own sensor. From all the camera companies I think Sony is the only one which makes their own sensor. But even them, for being such a large company, you can say another company under their umbrella and also named Sony makes the sensor for the camera division.
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    This week we got in a monster batch of VV sensors with a yield so high that it's off the charts.. More perfect sensors in this single batch than we have had in 2 years...

    Initial package testing was completed this morning and the results of months and months and months of incredible hard work from our incredible engineering team looks to have finally paid off.

    If nothing else, this post points to the direction that somebody else manufactures the sensor wafers.
    It also, other than the interest of curiosity, with the second sentence shows that it really doesn't matter due to RED's huge engineering role behind the sensors anyway.

    There also was the RED Factory Tour, which didn't show any signs of sensor production being done in-house.
    To play Devil's Advocate, on the chance they do fabricate their own sensors, they could have just chosen not to show that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewhake View Post
    That you have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David J. Buchanan View Post
    I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying... I don't mean to say that RED isn't the main people behind the tech or whatever, but basically, I'm saying they aren't the alchemists of the sensor. Unless they have stated otherwise, but all the research that I've done, and folks that I've spoken with don't know (maybe under NDAs?) where any of the RED sensors are made. Again, if I'm wrong, point me into the right direction, either way I'mma shut up about the topic.
    Unfortunately brother you are misinformed about this.

    RED does indeed make their own sensors, which is seriously cool for a company of their size. They have stated it for years and it is a widely known fact.

    It's a very important part of RED's business model. It's also why a custom sensor was made for a client doing business in space travel and is now available to us in the Gemini camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul engstrom View Post
    Unfortunately brother you are misinformed about this. RED does indeed make their own sensors, which is seriously cool for a company of their size. They have stated it for years and it is a widely known fact.
    There's been a lot of speculation about it around here for at least 10 years, but nobody has stepped up and said "yes, a big factory with the Red Camera® logo on it makes their own sensors." I think they have the chips custom made by a large specialist company in the far east. (My guess is Malaysia, but I think they keep this close to the vest for competitive reasons.)

    Still, you can't underestimate the importance of Red's camera body design, their assembly, their QC, and all their accessories. All of that counts for a lot. The camera is a lot more than just the sensor. And I would bet they go through quite a number of sensors to get one that's good enough to sell in a $30,000+ camera.

    It's been stated that ON Semiconductor makes the Alexa sensors for Arri, and here's a link to that story (from 2017):

    http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions...o?article=3723

    If you have proof as to who makes the Red pickup, please give us a link and share the information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wielage View Post
    There's been a lot of speculation about it around here for at least 10 years, but nobody has stepped up and said "yes, a big factory with the Red Camera® logo on it makes their own sensors." I think they have the chips custom made by a large specialist company in the far east. (My guess is Malaysia, but I think they keep this close to the vest for competitive reasons.)

    Still, you can't underestimate the importance of Red's camera body design, their assembly, their QC, and all their accessories. All of that counts for a lot. The camera is a lot more than just the sensor. And I would bet they go through quite a number of sensors to get one that's good enough to sell in a $30,000+ camera.

    It's been stated that ON Semiconductor makes the Alexa sensors for Arri, and here's a link to that story (from 2017):

    http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions...o?article=3723

    If you have proof as to who makes the Red pickup, please give us a link and share the information.
    Just call Mark Zuckerberg or Larry Page (or one of their employees), they can tell you in a second where somebody was at what time.
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