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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian I View Post
    I'm a gamer and run a reasonable sized group as well as writing for one of the top 15 most commented sites on the web (tech/gamer site) in my spare time. It's nice to know that drama isn't limited to gamers!

    Back on topic, do we expect more Hydrogen info to be released after the Apple event tomorrow?
    @ Adrian I, Are you covering the event?

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    I love gaming! The community can be... testy at times XD

    But yeah, it's kind of ridiculous how big the industry has gotten. Apple event is for new iphones as per usual. The site i write for is a tech site that (among other things) leaks stuff, so we've already leaked quite a bit about the upcoming iphones wccftech.com if you're interested. I won't be covering the event. I run the finance section (tech finance) and do some occasional articles on gaming as the urge takes me.

    I'm not surprised if LEIA is OS agnostic, it's a physical technology at the end of the day, so just needs the right APIs etc for any given OS to be able to take advantage of it. That much said, I'm quite anti apple so not too worried about whether it comes to ios or not and ultimately nobody owns windows phones XD

    The tech in larger form factors interests me though, but there likely needs to be a significant content ecosystem around it first. We'll see how it goes, for the time being I'm happy with my nice 32" UHD IPS monitor. I'll probably not upgrade until graphics cards are able to drive UHD at frame rates higher than 120Hz or above, so Nvidia Volta or beyond, at which point I'll probably be looking for a 32" UHD 120Hz+ HDR OLED G-sync monitor (if only!). Obviously there is no such monitor today and nothing in the pipe resembling that which I'm aware of either so woe is me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian I View Post
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    I love gaming! The community can be... testy at times XD

    But yeah, it's kind of ridiculous how big the industry has gotten. Apple event is for new iphones as per usual. The site i write for is a tech site that (among other things) leaks stuff, so we've already leaked quite a bit about the upcoming iphones wccftech.com if you're interested. I won't be covering the event. I run the finance section (tech finance) and do some occasional articles on gaming as the urge takes me.

    I'm not surprised if LEIA is OS agnostic, it's a physical technology at the end of the day, so just needs the right APIs etc for any given OS to be able to take advantage of it. That much said, I'm quite anti apple so not too worried about whether it comes to ios or not and ultimately nobody owns windows phones XD

    The tech in larger form factors interests me though, but there likely needs to be a significant content ecosystem around it first. We'll see how it goes, for the time being I'm happy with my nice 32" UHD IPS monitor. I'll probably not upgrade until graphics cards are able to drive UHD at frame rates higher than 120Hz or above, so Nvidia Volta or beyond, at which point I'll probably be looking for a 32" UHD 120Hz+ HDR OLED G-sync monitor (if only!). Obviously there is no such monitor today and nothing in the pipe resembling that which I'm aware of either so woe is me!
    WCCFTECH (Website) WOW! Phenomenal resource... You guys definitely have your finger on the pulse of what's going on... I guess that makes me an instant addict.

    So on "leaks stuff " front does not look too "Bitchy" or threatening at all. Some of these "Leaker Sites" have a rather "Caty" weird or sly vibe about them (not all i's sure).

    Exactly right about LEIA OS agnostic capability.

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    That much said, I'm quite anti apple so not too worried about whether it comes to ios or not and ultimately nobody owns windows phones XD

    LOL... ;-) It's hard for us/our group to take absolute sides in some cases. Was super relived about the LEIA + RED HYDROGEN announcement. I'm still in shock... as I would never in a million years have predicted HYDROGEN (at some point I will have a "Hat Eating" ceremony, but hopefully with Champagne (as the news is beyond imagining in a good way). [It's funny how much the industry has changed over the past 20 years. We transitioned from SGI/IRIX/UNIX to PC based systems via Integraph/3d Labs and then NVIDIA + high band width hunky PCS. Apple never really has a product offering we could s-3d / stereo render on or push around huge amounts of texture and polygons etc. (at least not for more than five minutes). At that time Microsoft was "Evil-Corp" and Apple was all fluffy bunny rabbits and social justice... Now that seems to have been wildly turned on its head lol. And yet I still wonder if 3d/s-3d/holo will become part of Apples DNA?

    So I an going to maintain my vague stance at the moment of saying Apple vs. Adroid in the context of LEIA and HYDROGEN type devices is a false dichotomy/nearly or possibly irrelevant? But you (@Adrian) would know better than I would, for sure. (As they say in the U.K. if you sit on the fence you get splinters up your arse lol). :-)


    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian I View Post
    The tech in larger form factors interests me though, but there likely needs to be a significant content ecosystem around it first. We'll see how it goes, for the time being I'm happy with my nice 32" UHD IPS monitor. I'll probably not upgrade until graphics cards are able to drive UHD at frame rates higher than 120Hz or above, so Nvidia Volta or beyond, at which point I'll probably be looking for a 32" UHD 120Hz+ HDR OLED G-sync monitor (if only!). Obviously there is no such monitor today and nothing in the pipe resembling that which I'm aware of either so woe is me!

    Our software and the things we have been developing run on two monitors each running frame sequential (s-3d/stereo in window) and we go to larger projection (in terms of VR "authoring"). So I have been wondering at what point we would switch to a single UHD or super long aspect ratio monitor. But there's so much we can do on the HYDROGEN and LEIA soon to be current offerings. Super jazzed .

    The whole OLED thing is important, but have not been keeping up on that 100%... My concern originally years ago was the thermal stability of the organic compounds that were being used as being a temporary mitigating factor? I'm guessing they may have solved some of that? and definitely +1 on the fast refresh rate for s-3d applications (at least large screen frame sequential applications). Overall I am super happy that NVIDIA is going gang busters with all that, so it IS feasible.


    Thanks so much for flagging the WCCFTECH, I can certainly see why it's in the "Top 15". BTW the finance section looks VERY credible... So being mainly in R&D love to "Dig deep" on all that but also super grateful that there are sites like WCCFTECH as even when you are in the tech industry sometimes you have your nose so close to the grind-stone that rarely do we get enough time to really come up for air and get a very good handle on the landscape.

    I really like the "Vibe" of the WCCFTECH (no-affiliation) seems really forward thinking, real and positive and useful, all they way... EXACTLY what folks in tech like to "Get with".

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    Thanks! The site is good fun. It's most well known as a prolific leaker of PC hardware, specifically GPU and CPU details. Fanboy wars (specifically AMD vs Intel and AMD vs NVIDIA) rage across our comments section, hence being one of the most commented on sites. Hardware articles typically get over 5000 comments per article! Obviously we missed leaking the Hydrogen! But given the site isn't hugely into imaging technology that's no surprise. RED also seem to do a decent job of keeping things secret. I obviously know of the company but haven't followed it particularly until the Hydrogen announcement.

    The LEIA on Android vs iOS question is a trickier one. iOS is obviously quite a closed system and also Apple are not particularly into early adoption, which LEIA would obviously be at this stage. From the press announcement where it sounds like RED are taking a stake in LEIA, that's a smart move, as ultimately if it proves successful, I'm sure Apple will want to get onboard and licence the tech from RED/LEIA, at which point they'd probably build it into iOS and potentially subsidise the development of equivalent apps for their ecosystem. Personally I'm not entirely sure what to make of the LEIA stuff, it sounds awesome alright, but the main reason I'm buying a Hydrogen is because I want a better camera in my mobile phone. If the built in camera tops DXO mobile, that's a big win for me. If modularity also allows for Canon fit lenses at some stage, that's an even bigger win for me and given some of Jim's comments, it sounds like the modular aspects may make the SLR market redundant.

    I'm afraid your last part is where my ignorance will shine through. I'm not sure what you mean by s-3d and on this side of things my technological understanding is going to come up woefully short! But I do have some opinions on ultra-wide or super-ultra-wide aspect ratios, mostly that I don't like them because game support is sketchy. 16:9 works in any game that exists, other aspect ratios, not so much. I still see the need for them though, my background is electronic trading systems and of course for traders, screen real estate is a primary concern, so it gets easier if you can replace 2 banks of 4 monitors each with 4 monitors in total but other than for large scale productivity, I'm not really a fan of anything other than 16:9.

    OLED is wonderful to look at but I suspect when you're referring to thermal stability you mean the tendency of OLED to burn in, which it does. Dell tried twice to bring an ultrasharp oled to market and failed miserably the first time (never went on sale) and the second time it went on sale but didn't last long, likely because of the high quality expected from Dell's UltraSharp range. Dead pixels are a no-no and everything must be top of the range. Residual image burn in would frustrate a hell of a lot of people who paid thousands for a monitor so I'm not sure that we'll see OLED reasonably commercialised in monitor tech, at least not anytime soon. Happy to be proven wrong of course.
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    I'm just glad you didn't say "Tom's Hardware".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian I View Post
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    [Eric writes [[All excellent and really interesting points I can dig into via other means but I'm going to go ...]]]

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    The LEIA on Android vs iOS question is a trickier one. iOS is obviously quite a closed system and also Apple are not particularly into early adoption, which LEIA would obviously be at this stage. From the press announcement where it sounds like RED are taking a stake in LEIA, that's a smart move, as ultimately if it proves successful, I'm sure Apple will want to get onboard and licence the tech from RED/LEIA, at which point they'd probably build it into iOS and potentially subsidise the development of equivalent apps for their ecosystem. Personally I'm not entirely sure what to make of the LEIA stuff, it sounds awesome alright, but the main reason I'm buying a Hydrogen is because I want a better camera in my mobile phone. If the built in camera tops DXO mobile, that's a big win for me. If modularity also allows for Canon fit lenses at some stage, that's an even bigger win for me and given some of Jim's comments, it sounds like the modular aspects may make the SLR market redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian I View Post
    "From the press announcement where it sounds like RED are taking a stake in LEIA, that's a smart move"... [/B]
    personally, I think that's a really massive point here :-)

    It's very difficult to go from smaller niche product to something that's very large scale. Typically you need a "Stepping stone" in between. So it's possible (with investment from Jim Jannard) that they can bridge that gap but it also means that (maybe, total guess), that Jannard has substantial control* over who can or cannot license the technology?


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    "I'm sure Apple will want to get onboard and licence the tech from RED/LEIA, at which point they'd probably build it into iOS and potentially subsidise the development of equivalent apps for their ecosystem". [/B]
    This ^^^^ really interests me.

    1. It may be that Jannard has the controlling hand deal-wise* with LEIA to essentially block* Apple from being able to run with the DLB/LEIA tech. [At least for a substantial period of time until HYDROGEN is well established* in the market place].

    2. I really don't believe that Apple is a 3d company. So much of their history and culture is based around beautiful 2d design, not least of which typographically (from Jobs). Their design rationale is so strong set to in effect eliminate the third dimension... Ever thinner devices (the Z-dimension will eventually disappear all together ;-) ). So personally I don't think Apple will jump on a bandwagon that seriously involves the third dimension until they are the last one's to do so. Almost when it becomes painfully obvious that they should. [I enjoy being spectacularly wrong in some instances, and with today's Apple/I-phone announcement if they say they go DLB/3d then I guess I have to eat yet another hat (I don't think they will, but they may have a few 3d render/face recognition type gizmos, but not a full on 3d display).].


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    "If modularity also allows for Canon fit lenses at some stage, that's an even bigger win for me and given some of Jim's comments, it sounds like the modular aspects may make the SLR market redundant.".[/B]
    Yup. They will have the interchangeable lens mounts. But in any case HYDROGEN may drive a few more nails into the coffin of DSLR's. It's rather odd or unexpected that social media + smart phones killed most of the DSLR market and now HYDROGEN may take a bite out of both markets and create new ones... But strangely that breathes new life into MF (Medium Format, all be it, on a much smaller scale), such as Fujifilm GFX 50s ?

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    I think ultimately basic human laziness and vanity (and the need to look good) will make HYDROGEN a screaming success. ;-) Duck face selfies are soooooo much better in 3d than 2d.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L. Langer View Post
    I'm just glad you didn't say "Tom's Hardware".
    Every site had its purpose and day... :)

    Getting back on topic, what I think is most exciting about Jim and his team at Red is what it represents in entrepreneurship and community. You have a billionaire who instead of just buying supercars and yachts, had a vision of taking his love of photography to the next step. But while you have those one-off handmade lenses from Leica and Zeiss (http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2012/08...risingly-leica), Jim's creations are instead shared with the world with an ethos of smart business and profit yet community with continually evolving platforms.

    The success of the cinema line has made it possible for Red to develop a smartphone, likely engineered for Jim's own use but also made to be manufacturable at a profit and shared with the public. Just as people said that Apple would have trouble making a phone given their lack of experience, I have seen similar articles about Red. However, with each release of new information, it gets more and more exciting to see that Hydrogen is developing into something more and more incredible.
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    O.K. we can breath now lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Lange View Post
    1. It may be that Jannard has the controlling hand deal-wise* with LEIA to essentially block* Apple from being able to run with the DLB/LEIA tech. [At least for a substantial period of time until HYDROGEN is well established* in the market place].
    I was hoping for that to be true! And I think that's what Jim meant in the Press release about an "exclusive partnership with Leia".

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Lange View Post
    I think ultimately basic human laziness and vanity (and the need to look good) will make HYDROGEN a screaming success. ;-) Duck face selfies are soooooo much better in 3d than 2d.
    Hahahaha, nearly choked on that one!

    Now, after Apple's announcement today, I am even more thankful to Jim for what he set off to do with Hydrogen.

    Does anyone else feel that the Red-Leia press release has some semblance to the early days of RED when Jim was trying to get a good deal for the LCD for the RED One?
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