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    Why aren't more people making a big deal out of the massively improved compression of the Weapon?

    I just did some research and made my own cut-down version of the compression charts based on my own Epic Dragon (with 128gb full-size SSD's) vs. the Weapon (512 SSD). Screenshots included. This is a major upgrade and I cannot believe people aren't making a bigger deal about it. I will be honest that I was on the fence about the Weapon, even though I planned to do it anyway, I was trying to weigh the improvements with the price - well the compression improvements are the kicker for me. I'm sold x1,000. Thank you to everyone at Red for all of your hard work. I think you guys will really be hard pressed to ever make a successor to the Weapon - it seems like the perfect camera.
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    I am happy that 8k @ 24p seems to do 5:1. Would be nice if they can hit 4:1, but that is a lot of data. :)

    i think the HFR improvements are great!
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    I literally know people upgrading because of this one feature. And it's it's pretty much at the top of my list as well.

    On most productions I work on it's been ideal to shoot at a 5:1 to 8:1 REDCODE RAW Compression Ratio, which is standard for feature films and most 4K delivered shows now. 4:1 is commonly used for Anamophic as well. Let's just talk 5K. You can literally shoot 5K FF at REDCODE 5:1 from 24 through 60 frames per second and up to 96 fps at 8:1. This means there will be a minimal to no hit to what I'd say the "visual compression cadence" is. Remember lower REDCODE RAW Compression Ratio = higher quality footage.

    This is a mega big deal for those of us shooting overcranked footage (every commercial ever). But it also plays a pretty big role in the 24/25 fps side of things. 2:1 and 3:1 are pretty much visually lossless.

    The side of things I'm on is favoring quality above all else at the moment and I'm going to exploit this like crazy. 6K 3:1 is going to be sexy.

    I'm very curious to see what 8K can get down to. We've see Jarred running around shooting 5:1 8K FF for 24 fps, but man if RED can get that to 4:1 I'll be a happy piglet.
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    Agreed. This is huge. And little talked about - especially for slow-mo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    Agreed. This is huge. And little talked about - especially for slow-mo.
    When my order comes up (presumably black gloved RED elves are forging carbon layers in the pit of a volcano as we speak) I'll shoot some tests at minimum REDCODE RAW Compression Ratios specifically for 5K, 5.5K, and 6K to get them online.

    Same for ProRes 2K and 4K for those who want to play in that world.
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    i dont find it amazing.
    1TB Mini SSD is up to 300 MS/s even recent CFAST cards is up to 440 MB/s
    Wish weapon had CFAST instead of Mini SSD :) we would get more SPEEDS.
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    I wouldn't call it massive if you compare using 512GB Mini-Mags on both bodies. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akin A View Post
    I wouldn't call it massive if you compare using 512GB Mini-Mags on both bodies. Just saying.
    There are productions out there who truly don't want to shoot higher than 8:1 if they can avoid it. I can hit 5K at 8:1 at that frame rate/resolution combo with Weapon. It's important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Holland View Post
    There are productions out there who truly don't want to shoot higher than 8:1 if they can avoid it. I can hit 5K at 8:1 at that frame rate/resolution combo with Weapon. It's important.
    There are productions out there who wants to shoot Uncompress Raw also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kemalettin Sert View Post
    There are productions out there who wants to shoot Uncompress Raw also.
    Yep. Though, if shooting at speed and you can get 2:1 or 3:1 I wouldn't and don't have a hard time discussing the pros and cons of having a flexible compressed raw format.
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