If RED=Film why Epic?

[cinemano]

Hello..

Sorry for the silly question.. but if RED is like/better than 35mm film, why is the EPIC necessary? 35mm seemed sharp enough for the last 100 years.

Could it really be more for our own excitement as filmmakers than for the audience? They may never see the diference from 4K to 5k?
I think one could get away with RED 4K for the rest of his life.. (well until 3D is the next norm)

I remember my parents saw a commercial in the cinema I made and they couldnt even tell it was blown up from SD video. (16mm to BetaDigital to 35mm)

Thoughts please..

[Cüneyt Kaya]

vfx, 4k rgb signal
4k rgb @ 100 MB/sec....
murphys law
weight
4k CC

[el_stupido]

vfx, 4k rgb signal
4k rgb @ 100 MB/sec....
murphys law
weight
4k CC

wait really? It's going to do 4K RGB @ 100 MB/sec?

What about all the fluff about how raw was the better choice that they've been saying all this year?

Now I'm confused

El Stupido

[Cüneyt Kaya]

wait really? It's going to do 4K RGB @ 100 MB/sec?

What about all the fluff about how raw was the better choice that they've been saying all this year?

Now I'm confused

El Stupido

5k raw------encoded to 4k rgb......imo this is the reason why epic is 5k raw.
and all of this @100 MB/sec

[Craig Bowman]

Red is digital cinema. It isn't film. You can express a story in whichever medium you want. Epic is an evolution on the digital side. Just like different film stocks have come about over the years. In case you have noticed, the history of just about everything has been our attempt to keep making improvements. Whether they actually are or not is left to history.

[Jim Exton]

I personally think that the Epic is everything the Red One was supposed to be but because it was their first camera, wasn't.

I know the Red is upgradeable, but something seems off. Why not just upgrade the Red with the 5k Mysterium X sensor?

Obviously, they can't for whatever reason.

The Epic is going to deliver true 4k and it weighs less. I imagine those reasons alone are enough to build it. Plus the 100mbs data rate.

And I know what you meant, but Red is not better than film. I prefer the term "different" than film. Different tools with different looks for different filmmakers.

[Noah Kadner]

Why is the glass half full when it's simultaneously half-empty?

Noah

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Why is the glass half full when it's simultaneously half-empty?

Noah

are we talking about wallets :shiftyph34r:

[cinemano]

:) got the "better than film" analysis from lots of forums in here.. not my words :)
Somewhere in this forum even compares a 35mm print to RED where RED seems sharper in a blow-up.. hense my question on 5k's essencialness.. (if that word exists lol)

Good point about the sensor in RED not being upgradeable.. is EPIC the true-future proof aquisition this time? (since it can upgrade sensors)..

[Jim Exton]

:)

Good point about the sensor in RED not being upgradeable.. is EPIC the true-future proof aquisition this time? (since it can upgrade sensors)..

The Red can be upgraded, and will in summer 09, but it will still be a 4k sensor.

I think if it has the same dynamic range as the Epic sensor, then the Red will be future proof for a long time.

Especially since most film prints are at 720p resolution, the Red is more than enough resolution. It is just the dynamic range that is not quite there yet.